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Posted by: Doug K
« on: December 22, 2023, 07:52:16 am »

Well, It appears the NYS Canal Corporation has devised a possible solution for those in our community who continue to deny the inherent safety issues with 100' tall trees growing on 100 year old earthen dams...

It also will work for those in our community who continue to spread misinformation on social media websites, telling others there is "nothing to fear" from a trail built on top of these hazardous & unsafe aging eathen structures...

I believe the plan going forward is to place signs similar to the one shown below, at all Erie Canal Trailheads along the towpath, especially in Perinton.

Sadly it wont have the desired effect, as the root cause of the issue (with most of these folks) appears to be a total lack of "reading comprehension".
Posted by: Doug K
« on: December 20, 2023, 01:12:18 pm »

I'm sorry, but I need to correct one statement you made about this NYS Canal System public safety issue...

The last statement you made was:

Ignoring these points is suicidal!

I would rephrase it this way...

Ignoring these points is "showing one's ignorance"

And thinking that Facebook is the best place to find the REAL truth about Public Safety along the Erie Canal Corridor is "just plain stupid".

And we all know what Forrest Gump said about "stupid"...
Posted by: Michael Caswell
« on: December 18, 2023, 09:10:04 am »

It's been six years since the STCC started their nonsense over these rubbish trees infesting our dangerous Erie Canal Earthen Embankment Dams.

As the majority of these trees are Cottonwoods, lets take a few minutes to look at what has happened in that time. A quick Google search revealed this --

Cottonwood Tree Facts - How Fast Does A Cottonwood Tree Grow ...
Cottonwood trees are the fastest growing trees in North America. A young tree can add 6 feet (2 m.) or more in height each year. This rapid growth leads to weak wood that is easily damaged. The trees can grow to well over 100 feet tall (30 m.), with eastern species sometimes reaching 190 feet (59 m.).

Let's be conservative here and suggest these trees grow at the rate of five feet a year, so over the past six years they've gained about THIRTY FEET in height.
Nothing to worry about if you listen to Ms Agte.

But consider this, that extra height, in the wind applies more leverage to the tree, and makes it more prone to toppling. Of course, the other 'problem' is that Cottonwood weighs about 50lbs per cubic foot. Now, granted the extra volume would be difficult to calculate, but lets say if that 30 feet were chopped off, the base diameter could be 1 foot, and 30 feet tall  which could be 30 cubic feet in total. So, the total extra excess weight in the tree canopy would be 30x 50lbs = almost 3/4 of a ton! (Per tree)

That weight, plus the additional height, make the leverage on the tree roots much greater, and its more likely to cause a tree to collapse.

The other important factor is that these cottonwood grow so fast, the wood tends to be weak and brittle. This is bad news for places that get a lot of wind, ice, snow, and rain.

Compounding this, the trees are growing on a water saturated dirt embankment, with a steep slope of less that 1:1. The wind whistles along the canal corridor making it highly likely trees will be felled.

Ignoring these points is suicidal!