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Posted by: Doug K
« on: March 31, 2024, 09:00:38 am »

Please read this excerpt from the NYSCC Embankment Program documents, it outlines the issue rather well, along with the inherent danger of "doing nothing" to fix the problem, or ignoring the public safety issue that Facebook's Stop the Canal Clear-cut group has promoted first 6 years.

Key components of the NYS Canal System are earthen embankments (embankments) that impound water to form navigable waterways or feeders.

Proper maintenance of the embankments is imperative to maintain integrity of the structures: for mitigating risks of embankment failures to health and safety of people that live, work or recreate along the NYS Canal System; for mitigating the risks of damage to property and the environment; and for maintaining the integrity and operability of the NYS Canal System in a cost-effective manner. Proper maintenance of the embankments will limit interruptions of the usage of the NYS Canal System by boaters and towpath users.

Parts of the embankments have become overgrown with trees, brush, and other scrub vegetation, are subject to animal burrowing, and are experiencing erosion, seepage, or settlement. Concrete and masonry surfaces that follow the embankment lines and grades also suffer from various types of deterioration. These conditions could compromise the integrity of the embankments and hinder safety inspections, and represent significant public safety, environmental and economic risks that must be mitigated

The NYSCC has experienced, in recent years, several incidents involving canal and feeder embankments that have been closed and repaired under costly emergency contracts. In June 2016, a partial failure of Culvert 70 near Hulberton, NY required extensive and costly repairs and closed the Erie Canal and Erie Canalway Heritage Trail for over 2 weeks. Emergency repairs were required during April and May 2018 at canal embankment sections of the Erie Canal in Perinton and Ogden, NY. Sheet piling was installed at the top of canal embankment sections to reduce the risk of embankment failure. In July 2018, a section of the Forestport Feeder had to be dewatered to conduct slope repairs in the section along Moose River Road in Boonville, NY.

These experiences have made it clear that NYSCC’s approach of addressing maintenance matters when water impounding embankment features are about to fail is an unacceptable way in which to manage this large capital asset

With a No-Action Alternative, any earthen embankments would be at greatest risk of failure compared to other alternatives. Prior to any such failure, there would be no measurable impact to land use within the canal right-of-way or at adjacent property.

At such time that the embankments would fail, water contained within the canal prism would be rapidly released. The risks associated with such an event are described in Appendix B. Depending on the location of the breach, the surrounding area would be inundated to various depths depending on topography. A breach in a canal or feeder embankment having a water depth of 12 feet is estimated to occur over 1½ hours, enlarge to 150 feet wide and discharge a peak flow of between 5,000 and 10,000 cfs. The resulting flood wave would seriously impact existing land uses for the inundated terrain outside the canal limits.In addition to potential loss of life and damage to infrastructure, most of the flooded lands would be rendered unusable until restoration projects were completed. Lack of financial capability to fund restoration work could
leave some areas unusable for an extended period of time.

It's a very dire warning, with grave circumstances, that has been described here, loss of LIFE is a real possibility.  And still some on Facebook call it "fear-mongering", still refusing to believe the truth.

Why? That's the question isn't it? What reason could anyone give for not listening to the voice of reason & common sense?

I guess it boils down again to a person's right to their own stupidity & foolishness..., so many in this STCC group seem to embrace the "big lie" that nothing is wrong with the Canal System. Wouldn't it ALWAYS be better to error on the side of IMPROVED public safety, isn't that what "common sense" would dictate?

Should we assume those on Facebook protesting improved Erie Canal safety are 'lacking' that common sense.

How sad that this Social Media group should be so self-serving & oblivious to the others in danger, that shade for a walk along the canal has become more important than the safety of the public & communities living near the Erie Canal. And how sad for New York State Agencies like the Canal Corporation, that have to smile pleasantly, and say thank you for your "help" to these groups that ONLY consider their "own facts" or value their "own opinions" on the matter of Public Safety along the Erie waterways.
Posted by: Michael Caswell
« on: March 31, 2024, 07:45:33 am »

It would help no end if new readers here looked at the STCC 'communications' page, where they have posted several letters from the NYPA is response to many false claims made by Ms Agte & Maier.

The notion that still does not register with these folks is that we are NOT discussing 'levees' and any references they make to them is irrelevant. The trees are growing on raised earthen embankments and as such present a high hazard to life if they were to collapse.

These letters show clearly that the NYPA has explained their position and concerns, yet these people seem to ignore this and continue on their misguided and dangerous way. Having said that, I do notice much less rhetoric lately, and several 'members' have left the STCC ranks having 'seen the light'.

Hopefully the NYPA will soon address the Fairport to Pittsford sections and bring this dangerous embankment up to a safe standard.