Erie Canal Neighbors Association

General Category => Opposition to the Stop The Canal Clearcut Movement => Topic started by: Michael Caswell on September 14, 2020, 01:31:07 pm

Title: Rufus Kendig's ten cents worth!
Post by: Michael Caswell on September 14, 2020, 01:31:07 pm
It never ceases to amaze me that members of this radical group simply do not listen to hydrologists, arborists, dam safety engineers,  FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers. They do not even believe their "own" experts it seems

They have heard from a couple people like an aging levee expert, Professor Donald Gray, who has stated quite clearly," I donít know of any earth dams where woody vegetation was purposely planted or allowed to grow on a face of the dam."

See this story https://eriecanalfacts.wordpress.com/2018/04/19/testimony-in-question-vegetation-on-dams/




And they were told about the dam safety issue by David Rosgen, who stated this very clearly to the Facebook Group and we have his email to them here:     

https://ecna.createaforum.com/general-discussion/important-announcement-coming-soon/msg178/#msg178

Mr. Rosgen Hydrology Website - https://wildlandhydrology.com/


Both of these experts have denounced trees on a Dam!  Owners can't manage a Dam safely with overgrown trees on it.  The hydro-static pressure can easily cause a breach and a catastrophic flood. The tree roots cause water piping and slumps that turn into floods and loss of life.

The Stop the Canal Clear Cut Leaders, Ms Agte, Meuwissen, Maier et al know these facts, but refuse to believe or promote them. Instead they continue to harass and irritate the good people of the NYPA with phone calls and emails, harping on the same old nonsense they have spewed out for months.

And then they wonder why no one bothers to reply to them?

Ah! Well.


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Title: Re: Rufus Kendig's ten cents worth!
Post by: Michael Caswell on September 14, 2020, 01:35:37 pm
Here is Mr Kendig's post link  https://mrtreeservices.com/blog/know-tree-roots-prevent-soil-erosion/

Note that this is all about trees that are NOT GROWING ON AN EARTHEN EMBANKMENT DAM!

There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE!  Why don't these folks get it?
Title: Re: Rufus Kendig's ten cents worth & STCC Member Peter Abele is silenced for the Truth
Post by: Doug K on September 14, 2020, 02:26:02 pm
Mike,

Hasn't it been one of these two themes with this opposition Facebook clan: 1) a complete denial of the Unsafe Embankment Dam issue or 2) They somehow believe these trees and the canal are "theirs' as tax payers... both wrong.

Now I will start my reply by stating first that this post is NOT a personal attack of Ms. Agte, or any of the members of her Facebook group, this is only fact checking the information they are stating as true.

We, the ECNA, are not angry with this group, or their leaders, or their cause, we are just growing tired of the lies their leadership spreads and the lies members tell themselves. Especially in the light of so much science & factual information available about Earthen Dam Safety.

It's one thing to ignore you own safety, but it a very different issue when people lie about public safety to the public.

That's why the NY State Canal Corporation has been very clear about what they are trying to do along the canal, they are fixing UNSAFE earth dams, and only the ones that are unsafe. If that is every mile of the 127 miles of raised embankments, then that is what it is...period.

Here's this whole conversation from start to finish that Mike C has alluded to.. and you read for yourself. The Facebook groups OWN MEMBERS are trying to correct the beliefs and lack of understanding from their own leader, Ms. Agte, and of course are met with the same resistance to the truth as we have had.

The STCC wants NO part of the truth, they just want to perpetuate the myths they have created, and prolong their own 'fake news' so that innocent members will still follow them into their 'fool's journey'.


Here's the first set of comments by Ms Agte to her group... it was after an exchange where one member pressed the rest to learn the truth. The ECNA questions & comments are on the left column

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Take a look at the greenest dustbowl you will ever see folks.. freshly cut embankment dam today...

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https://ecna.createaforum.com/eerp-phase-3-discussion-board-evergreen-barrier-planting/erie-canal-embankment-before-after-photos/msg1278/?topicseen#msg1278




And here's the first part of the conversation that Mike has shown that led up to Ms. Agte's posting. Note all of the items we brought up and underlined in these posts & comments

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Now when I say "fake news" I do not do so lightly... take a look at this:

http://www.discovertheeriecanal.com/fake-news-the-erie-canal/

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Go and take a look at that Discover The Erie Canal Website... one of the best we have seen for tourist information folks, and a good place to learn truth.


http://www.discovertheeriecanal.com/

WHO REALLY OWNS THE ERIE CANAL?

It's no secret that New York Power Authority has taken 'possession' of the Erie Canal & Canal Authority, just read the internet:

https://www.nypa.gov/news/press-releases/2017/20170102-nypa-canal-corporation

https://www.workboat.com/news/coastal-inland-waterways/ownership-ny-canals-transferred-state-power-authority/#:~:text=As%20New%20York%20prepares%20to,New%20York%20State%20Thruway%20Authority.



And go read the disclaimer on the New York Power Authority website, their emails & all their announcements:


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Taxpayers do NOT contribute to the NYS Canal Repair, Operation or Maintenance... period.

And the New York Power Authority DOES own the canal, as a gift from the State, to try and somehow FIX it and MAKE A PROFIT... period.
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AND STILL MORE FROM THE STCC ON FACEBOOK

For what it's worth, here's the rest of that conversation on the Facebook site for this group... sad that they won't believe their own members when they tell the truth & share the facts. Instead of thanking this Mr. Abele, the Founder of the Stop the Canal Clear-cut group attacks that truth, and spurs others to do the same. That's the kind of leadership there is in the STCC, about the same as the White House these days.

My way or the Highway... says Ms Agte, Pathetic!




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If anyone knows this Peter J Abele, please tell him to come and join the ECNA, he will become an instant Forum Moderator here, as he is a breath of fresh air from the 'stench' that comes from the Stop the Canal Clear-Cut group on Facebook
Title: The STCC removes another voice of dissent - Goodbye Peter Abele
Post by: Doug K on September 15, 2020, 10:00:47 am
Can't say that we didn't see this one coming... I guess this Facebook Group's idea of being a "public" group only extends so far... The STCC is only open to the part of the public that swallows the crap being spewed by it's fractured leadership with a smile, and asks for more.

Sadly another voice of Truth & Reason has left the Facebook Group, and he can't even say goodbye!

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Title: Re: Rufus Kendig's ten cents worth!
Post by: Michael Caswell on September 20, 2020, 09:32:29 am
I guess the Agte gang has read our web page and decided to give Mr Abele a reprieve.  He's back on line. 

Amazing what a few words here will do to get a knee jerk reaction from them.  Ha!

Title: Re: Rufus Kendig's ten cents worth!
Post by: Doug K on September 22, 2020, 10:14:13 am
Mike, Are you sure about this? I checked and it looks like he still can't see what's being posted about his own comments.


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And still the group persists to twist the truth hoping to sway the public to believe their rant...
Title: Re: Rufus Kendig's ten cents worth!
Post by: Michael Caswell on September 22, 2020, 12:44:53 pm
Mike, Are you sure about this? I checked and it looks like he still can't see what's being posted about his own comments.


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And still the group persists to twist the truth hoping to sway the public to believe their rant...


I had another look, and I think you're right! 
Title: Re: Rufus Kendig's ten cents worth!
Post by: Doug K on October 16, 2020, 08:12:10 am
Ever wonder why, in this Facebook group which boasts some 600+ members, that only a handful of people besides the Leadership, ever take any of their time to post, comment or respond? It's fairly simple, and very well illustrated by this single members experience and his recent post

Most of these members simply don't want to offend the fragile ego of the group's co-founders by stating facts, or by trying to correct the mis-information these Stop the Canal Clear-cut group seems intent on spreading.

They would all come under the Wrath of Ms Agte eventually. 

And they would also be given their walking papers as they are booted from group like Peter Abele was.

And thinking about that fate it seems that actually may be the best thing any silent member could do to make a real statement about truth regarding the clearing of trees off of the canal's earthen embankment dams.

Unsafe Earthen Dams WILL kill someone, someday, it's just a matter of time and the continued ignorance of the TRUTH about public safety, by groups like this on Facebook.