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Michael Caswell

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More Perinton Rumors and Fake News!
« on: May 03, 2021, 04:19:33 am »
I just heard some disturbing news being spread by two of the original members of the STCC, that Facebook group trying to stop Canal Embankment repair.

Apparently, these two people stopped a local Erie Canal neighbor, who was cleaning up The Oxbow Trail, and told him he was wasting his time. He was rather puzzled by this, since most people are very happy with the way The Oxbow Trail & Park looks these days, with a clear path and access to the waterfront.

Their "story" was that The New York Power Authority (or NYPA) was going to sell this piece of land running adjacent to Minerva Deland School sports fields and  it was going to be developed into high rise condominiums.

If you look at this strip of land, you have to ask yourself how that feat could be accomplished, which is the first clue that this is just more 'fake news'.

The strip of land is about 600 yards long and about 15 yards wide, stretching along the canal waterfront.  It is hardly wide enough to accommodate a road, let alone a building. It also has a large hill behind it, with all run-off rain water passing through the property, on it's way to empty into the canal.


Then consider how one would access this road-trail with vehicles.

There is no NYSCC/NYPA land ownership at the MAIN entrance to the Oxbow from Erie Crescent.

The current driveway/road leading to the Oxbow Park & Trail area, is actually a right of way that involves THREE privately owned properties that are adjacent, and use that trail for entry into their properties.

Just beyond the entrance the foot bridge that used to span a drain culvert washed out years ago and the Canal Corporation vehicles cannot get access to that property themselves.

At the far end of the Oxbow Trail, there is Old Post Rd Circle, which has a footpath leading UNDER a power line owned by RG & E. Only smaller size vehicles, like garden tractors, could get access from this end.


So! One has to ask, what developer (in his right mind) would want to build condos, or anything else, on a piece of land that has restricted access, no road and is very narrow. It defies common sense logic.

What these two ladies seem to be doing, is just trying to spread fear and disinformation once again, 

Their group has been against The Oxbow Cleanup project from the beginning, citing a myriad of phantom problems like cars parking in the streets, unruly parties, kids hanging out to all hours, etc. etc.

None of which has happened to date.

And the land owners, NYPA, have stated no plans to sell this strip of land. It is also listed on the NY Parks and Trails maps as under their jurisdiction, part of Adopt a Trail.

Itīs more sour grapes folks, and quite typical from a group like the Stop the Canal Clear-Cut, who have spread lies and fake news since their conception on Facebook. They are wrong about The Oxbow, just as they have been wrong about leaving overgrown trees on a dangerous earthen embankment dams along the Canal.

Will these folks ever accept the truth?

My guess is no, not as long as they can spread the complete opposite without fear of being corrected by the community around them






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Re: More Perinton Rumors and Fake News!
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2021, 09:50:52 am »
Amazing, yet expected. What's very puzzling and something for all to think over is this statement:

"Apparently, these two people stopped a local Erie Canal neighbor, who was cleaning up The Oxbow Trail, and told him he was wasting his time. He was rather puzzled by this, since most people are very happy with the way The Oxbow Trail & Park looks these days, with a clear path and access to the waterfront."

Can anyone explain why these two people would criticize someone else's work trying to IMPROVE their own community?

Just because these two wouldn't consider lifting a finger to help cleanup a local park or trail themselves, nothing gives them the right to be critical of others who are trying to make their community just a little bit better.

It's not their time being spent volunteering, to help their community by taking a part in the Oxbow Rehabilitation.

It's not their sweat being shed, to create a nice trail for local Perinton & Fairport residents to enjoy.

And it's not even their place to tell someone how they should be spending their time, wasted or not.


So what would incite people to be like this, to even think their opinion matters, when they show no interest to help in the community effort?

One Word... Facebook.

And one group on Facebook... Stop the Canal Clear-cut.

Not to mention the failure of an entire community to decide if they support canal safety & improvement or if they support stupidity, and a movement to keep the canal an overgrown danger, ready to fail at any moment.

Mike, I commend you and your neighbors, for their effort to clear this NYS Parks & Trail trail site. Sadly I also think there comes a time when you have to accept that community support is hard to achieve and even tougher when "community 'leadership" by the local government is all but absent. 

Ask yourself a question:

How much backing have you and your neighbors had from the Perinton or Fairport's local government bodies? Seems like local breweries get more support, from the Fairport Village website, than a community effort to provide a canalside park, along one of the most unique features on the Erie Canal, the old Oxbow Loop.

Maybe things will change soon, once the Oxbow Embankment Dam gets cleared with the new Canal Corporation Embankment Program restarting in your area in the late fall of 2021. And then all of Perinton & Fairport will come down to Oxbow Park to watch some new amazing sunset views along the Erie Canal.

Time will tell.

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Of course in the interest of transparency in the ECNA... the truth also has to be told.

There is actually PLENTY of room to fit a nice waterside community at the Oxbow. It's just how you look at solving the problem of space and accessibility.

For instance, here's a map of the Oxbow Park & Trail area, showing the aforementioned access and space issues.




As you can see there is a very nice triangle shaped piece of land that could be developed into multi-storied living. With almost 145,000 square feet of area, this is a nice 3.5 acre piece of land to develop. The Canal Corporation is touting their Erie Canal Pocket Neighborhood idea, which puts housing, retail and the public into a space just about this size, with their new Canastota project. You can read more by clicking the link.

https://www.oneidadispatch.com/news/local-news/developer-selected-for-transformative-pocket-neighborhood-in-canastota/article_6b26e8fa-829d-11eb-8f25-737adf33a955.html

The Oxbow Landing Pocket Neighborhood in Fairport just needs to have a new access road, that will be aptly named Powerline Circle or Powerline Way, in keeping with the neighborhood road naming. The map below shows how this development rumor could become a reality, if the right developer just happened along.




I guess I have to say that although it's unlikely the Oxbow Landing Village Estates will become a reality anytime soon, it is one of the most scenic, and most available pieces of property the Canal Corporation & New York Power Authority own in this area.

And they are currently looking for ways to repurpose their existing properties and create more opportunity for public access to the Canal System and hopefully increase use and tourism for the surrounding communities.

Maybe this "fake news" is better defined as "wishful thinking"?

If this property was developed, the cost of a condo or townhouse would most likely start at $500K, based on other waterfront homes in the area. All good if you are a Town or Village looking for more Tax Revenue to run your municipality, right?
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Re: More Perinton Rumors and Fake News!
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2021, 09:34:05 am »
It'll never happen Doug.   

Too many folks will 
a. Protest at having a road put in their back yards.
b. Too dangerous- traffic too close to pylons.   
c. Mowing and maintenance equipment problem for RG&E  (I doubt they'd want to sell the land)



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Re: More Perinton Rumors and Fake News!
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2021, 10:44:30 am »
There was a whole group, on Facebook, which is centered in Perinton & Fairport, that spent 3 years PROTESTING against fixing Erie Canal Earthen Embankments.

They FAILED at stopping Erie Canal Embankment safety work from happening with their Facebook protest

They FAILED in their attempt to keep trees on earthen dams from western Monroe County to Niagara County

They FAILED to even convince their own members that what was happening was going to be "terrible" for Erie Canal neighboring homeowners.

Do you really think that if the local governments in Fairport & Perinton could add MILLIONS OF DOLLARS worth of new homes to their Tax Base they wouldn't want to push that through, regardless of "public protest"? Seems local governments do understand that many times "the public" doesn't actually know what's really good for them and in their best interest for safety, or for taxation. Like people fighting against Embankment Safety Projects.

If you have any doubt, simply multiply the current tax rates for your town or village by those new homes, and see just how much more tax revenue could be generated for local government, schools, and community improvement.

100 new residences, each worth $300K... times $10 - $12 each for County/Town/Village Tax.
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And another $23 - $28 for School Tax income, to support teachers salaries & capital improvement budgets.




My rough calculation shows about $10-12K potential from each of the housing units they can squeeze into this Oxbow property. So getting to 100 condos or apartments or whatever... could be an instant $1 Million into local tax coffers. What Town or Village would balk  at that? Well maybe Pittsford as they are somewhat anal about "Village Development".

There is NO downside to this idea of the Oxbow Waterfront Development for the Town or Village is there?

Well except maybe for those who happen to live closest to the new development. And of course the standard reply from any NYS Municipal Management or Government will always be the same: "If you don't like PROGRESS in your Village or Town, you can simply move away".

Time will tell...again it may be a rumor now, but so was the idea of clearing Erie Canal Embankments at one time...many moons ago.



References:

https://www.monroecounty.gov/property-town-rates

https://www.monroecounty.gov/property-school-rates
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