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Michael Caswell

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The Patched fiber optic cable? Much ado about nothing?
« on: January 17, 2020, 12:53:06 pm »
A group railing against the NYPA (Canal Corp) have been observing the latest work carried out by them at the Oxbow Fairport.


This is yet one more story where the main purpose of the fiber optic repair has not been told, intentionally.

Here's what really happened.

The Erie Canal Earthen Embankment at the Oxbow, right under the power lines, was leaking so badly, the Canal Corporation had to shore it up. There was a HUGE pond at the toe of the dam, adjacent to the apartment complex, and Jefferson Avenue. It had recently been designated a class 3 HIGH HAZARD dam by Rizzo Engineering.
The Phreatic line (a line where wet and dry embankment earth can collapse under certain circumstances) was leaking above the toe of the dam, and had been doing so for many years, hence 6 feet high cat tails flourishing there.
To remedy this, the NYPA made emergency repairs by hammering in 1" thick steel piling sheets over 40 feet deep for over 200 feet along the embankment.
https://eriecanalfacts.files.wordpress.com/2018/04/img_3404.jpg?w=2200

You can see this here in detail https://eriecanalfacts.wordpress.com/2018/04/14/340/

This very noisy, extensive and expensive repair done to save the people of Fairport from flood, has NEVER been mentioned by them. Why? Because, according to them, the canal embankment was never going to fail.

The group claims  the NYPA cut through an important Fiber Optic Cable running underneath the canal, parallel to the  power lines unintentionally. They claim they were incompetent to surface with their boring machine two or three feet from the target after boring almost 100 yards under a body of water.


In this diagram, you can see where the steel wall has been placed. It also shows the dry soil above the Phreatic line, and the saturated soil below it. Note also the fiber optic cable.
Bear in mind, the cable has been there many years, and the leak above it has been getting progressively worse over that time.
Suddenly, the leak becomes an emergency, and not wanting to cause a panic, the NYPA goes about the business quietly repairing the dam wall. They know exactly where the cables are. It's surveyed under the NY 'Call before you dig' regulations. 
http://www3.dps.ny.gov/W/PSCWeb.nsf/All/9ABB99A9E7D5A27785257B400065199B?OpenDocument

But, there's a problem! The steel sheets need to go to a certain depth to be effective. The Fiber Optic Cable is in the way.  You can't not hammer in one sheet to a lesser depth to avoid the cable. The NYPA had no choice but to sever it, which they did.


There wasn't a big hoo-ha about it. No one's light's went out. No computers went down. 99% of Fairport didn't even know about the peril they were in from a leaking dam.

If this cable severing had been a problem, why did the Canal Corporation wait almost two years before repairing it?

They had it all figured out. They patched around it, secured the cable ends and waited until, at their convenience, they could issue a contract to get the cable reinstated.

It's s simple as that!






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Doug K

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Just an FYI: The math needed to prove how accurate the cable drilling process is as easy as a right triangle calculator... it shows that the cable bore was drilled almost straight as an arrow to a target, 600' away. With all the variable around soil, water, canal settling etc it amazing that the drilled hole was less than 1/2 a degree off of where it was supposed to hit on the other side of the embankment... just off by a mere 4'



I guess it's always true... those who know the least about a given topic seem to try and convince others that they do "know it all".

For someone to complain about the accuracy of this operation is pretty foolish. Just imagine in a golf match, someone hits a golf ball from 200 yards and it lands 3 feet away from the hole...and no one claps or yells. That is similar to what those who are complaining about this drilling operation would do... not impressed one bit with that shot.

It's mystifying how anyone would follow these leaders... they simply do not understand what is going on with NYS Barge Canal Repair at all
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The severing of an Optic Cable.
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2020, 03:32:24 am »

This was posted recently on the STCC Facebook page by Virginia Borden Maier, with comment on the recent 'repair' of a cable line that was severed during the shoring up of a VERY dangerous embankment failure.


If you look at the inset image, top left, you'll see an area with wavy lines.  This represents a SWAMP! Now, one has to ask, where is all that water coming from? Here's a clue. This swamp is some 60 feet below the canal - that's the body of water just to the right.

Just a few feet to the north of this is the site of the 1912 breach, and it had an effect on the tree growth. Looking across from the east side, there is a considerable dip in the tree line. Obviously, the trees didn't grow as well here, and I put that down to the fact that most of the soil was washed away. There is also the bare spot circled where no trees have grown, probably for the same reason.


So, we have a swamp, and a previous site of a breach, and a determination by the Canal Corporation that an EMERGENCY REPAIR is required.

see https://eriecanalfacts.wordpress.com/2018/04/14/340/

The STCC Maier etc) claim that the Optic Cable was severed accidentally, but if you look carefully at the first image, you'll see that the NYPA was fully aware of the cable. It's within their proposed area of repair.
Yet, they had an emergency, the embankment was likely to collapse at any minute. They needed to hammer in 40' long steel sheets to alter the Phreatic Line, but the cable wasn't buried that deep, simply because of the embankment, and burying UNDER the actual canal.
I believe a decision was made to sever the cable, and quietly reroute it later to bypass the metal sheets, which is what they did.

There was no negligence. This was a careful decision to save the residents from an imminent flood.





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Re: The severing of an Optic Cable.
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2020, 12:11:06 pm »
Because it's very difficult for some people in your area to see these Canal Embankments and other people seem to have forgotten how to "make-believe" I will help.

Here's what the Canal looked like behind our house in 2017. These are two pictures joined together, one looking East the other West.




And now today that ENTIRE section of Erie Canal Embankment has been uncovered... this is what an Erie Canal Earthen Dam looks like. NOte the comments added to the image.




And if you need to see that water leak just a little better, here's a close-up with more comments.




It's not hard to understand that water runs downhill, and that water seeks it's own level. Raised water on the inside of an earthen embankment or dam wants to get out... downhill.

It's also not hard to understand that anything with long roots, like TREES that are growing on these earthen canal dams, can & will try to reach that water supply and disrupt it...causing a weakness that eventually erodes to an embankment breach.

This is the science behind dam engineering & safety, and the same science that this Facebook group still wants to ignore.

Read more here about when Embankments become too saturated and tree roots cause leaks.

https://ecna.createaforum.com/general-discussion/what-happens-when-erie-canal-embankment-dams-become-over-saturated/msg1359/?topicseen#msg1359

https://ecna.createaforum.com/the-stop-the-clearcut-argument/they-pulled-the-plug-really-early!/msg1354/#msg1354


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