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Michael Caswell

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Facebook Group in Perinton asks: "Where is Governor Hochul?"
« on: February 25, 2022, 07:09:18 am »


I guess some of the original STCC members still don't get it! 

Our current governor isn't interested in this Facebook nonsense.

She's obviously realized what most politicians are waking up to.

Trees on a dam are dangerous and are virtually outlawed by every authority on the subject, like the NYDEC, FEMA, ASDSO USACE etc.


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I know the answer to that question... Is she hiding from a group of people who are "non compos mentis" on a certain social media website?

See this post for more on that Latin phrase that we used


https://ecna.createaforum.com/the-stop-the-clearcut-argument/earthen-dams-fail-see-why!/msg2017/?topicseen#msg2017



But Mike left off the best part of what prompted those comments & posts by this Facebook Group member, specifically Ms. Susan Calia...

Like a new "Where's Waldo" game, it's now Where's Kathy in this group of "concerned citizens"?


The catalyst for all the recent STCC activity was yet another "rant" by the Leader of the Stop the Canal Corporation (STCC) group in Perinton, that believes the Governor is actually "on her side". when it comes to ignoring the safety of canal communities, and unsafe, unmanaged Canal Property.

Maybe it was an attempt to "calm the leader" before she says something "really" stupid, when it comes to her continued ignorance of public safety along the Canal System.

Here's the latest whine by Ms. Agte to her "minions" in the MetaWorld:


Elizabeth R. Agte     February 23 at 9:17 PM:

I just returned from the Perinton Town Board meeting, where I presented the following comment, as well as hard copies of the letter, FOIL rejection, email from Rebecca, and the Communication Tree from the NYPA September meetings.
 
We at STOP the CANAL CLEAR CUT continue to be concerned about the plans and transparency of NYPA and the Canal Corporation.
 
The three supervisors, Adam Bello, Virginia Maier and myself sent letters to the governor, the NYPA trustees chairman, and the CEO of NYPA on December 21st.
 
On February 7th the elected officials received emails telling them that a hard copy letter was on its way, Ginny and I were not included until I posted about it on our Facebook page. The reply was not from the governor but from the Canal Corporation director and the CEO of NYPA.
 
The letter does nothing to calm our concerns. They still maintain that there are two risk factors they have to consider when determining clear cutting, the hazard rating and the actual condition of the embankment. The hazard rating is what could happen in a worse case scenario. The condition rating is the actual likelihood of that scenario happening, based on the existing strength of the embankments.
 
Though the CC likes to repeat to us that the raised embankments in Perinton are high hazard, they will not tell us the most important information, and that is their actual condition. When we FOILed that information they refused to give us those classifications.

When we asked them at the September information meetings for an artist rendering of the embankments so we could actually see what their vision was, they refused.
When Ginny asked twice for the name of the plant scientist that NYPA is allegedly consulting with she was ignored.
 
(Thank you again Supervisor Hanna for hosting those meetings.)

They promise us that where the risks are low along the canal they are willing to leave trees and habitat. But the risk is determined by the hazard rating AND the condition rating, and though they say they are committed to transparent dialog, they are in fact withholding valuable information for communities to make their own assessment.
 
Though Rebecca Hughes, Public Engagement Director, offered repeated promises during their September information meetings here in Perinton, that they were going to keep the public informed about the changes to the guidebook based on our comments during the comment period, her February 7th email to the elected officials said that when materials are finalized that they will meet with elected officials to look over the red-lined document, and mentioned nothing about including local stakeholders.
 
I want to thank all the elected officials who continue to stand for transparency and facts concerning the maintenance of our Beloved Erie Canal. We love the beauty, habitat, history, economic vitality, and recreation that the canal provides. You canít uncut a tree.




There's a whole lot to take in their. But if you look hard, you will see Ms. Agte mentioned everything she "loves" about the Erie Canal, a whole list. But read her statements carefully, Erie Canal SAFETY was not mentioned, not once, and she did not mention that all of this tree clearing is happening on earthen dams. But she did note they were "high-hazard" embankments, but stated that didn't matter unless the "condition" of the Embankment was known.

Once again, in that ENTIRE Facebook statement, Ms. Agte did NOT say one thing about the SAFETY of the public or canal communities. That is a message that the NYS Canal Corporation has told this Facebook group, is at RISK, many many times before. And still, that message is ignored, denied, and now ridiculed by this group, and it's Founders.

All uncleared, raised Erie Canal embankments are HIGH HAZARD, due to how many people are at risk for ANY embankment breach.

And the Dam Condition, it's a tree-infested mess, that can't be properly inspected, all are assumed to be a danger simply because REQUIRED dam maintenance has NEVER been done in over 75 years.


If the Leader of this Facebook Group ignores the MOST important part of that NYS Canal Corp MESSAGE, why is she then surprised if she is "ignored" by a Governor who does actually LISTEN & BELIEVE the Canal Corporation, and their admission that they are trying to help New Yorkers?

I am sure that Governor Hochul DID listen, when the Canal Corporation discussed their unsafe embankment issues, and the inherent risk of flood that brought to Upstate Canal Communities.

And our Governor DOES have people assigned to insure that the PUBLIC is kept safe from a dangerous canal system, and equally dangerous fluff from social media. We at the Erie Canal Neighbors Association know first hand, because the ECNA and the NYSCC/NYPA communicate quite often about Canal Integrity & Neighbor Safety.



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And once again, Ms. Agte wants to "twist arms" to get "her way" with these politicians. She must believe that her "threats" about 'upcoming election votes' matters somehow.



She is trying to make the SAFETY of the PUBLIC in NEW YORK a "political issue"... thinking she can threaten local politicians and even the Governor of NY State with a "loss of votes" if they don't agree with her "hair-brained" idea to ignore the NYS Canal Corporation warnings about unsafe embankments.

It is NOT the first time that Ms. Agte has tried this tactic...holding votes for support of their FB Group cause, and it's won't be the last.

Is that what Perinton & Pittsford stand for... "tainted politics"?



Here's that same post reply Mike showed... expanded to show what the leaders of the group said... very damning statements on their cause & leadership.

They DO NOT believe Erie Canal Embankments are unsafe, they DO NOT believe the "reason" they were given, for their denied Freedom of Information Request (FOIL).

In fact it appears this FB group's members don't believe ANYTHING that doesn't come from the lips of their Leader, Ms. Agte, or her Biologist sidekick, Ms. Virginia Maier, does it?






Red Dragon of Greed?

Does Lorrain Parr, a local radio personality and key member of the STCC, really think the Canal Corporation is getting RICH from cutting down old dead Cottonwood Trees and clearing a safety issue along the Erie Canal? Or is it all just concocted gibberish, to increase her "radio following" among the Facebook Group?



Yes folks, she must still believe that "clear-cutting" is happening.

And this CRAP is all from a Social Media group (MetaBook) that wants to now give Erie Canal Embankment TREES their own Facebook Accounts. They somehow believe that those trees can "tell us" what they think.

Maybe it's just a ploy by the Group's Leadership, to increase the size of their OWN Facebook Group.






I can see the ECNA reporting in the future that "mysteriously" every Erie Canal "tree" with a new FB account, also signed up to this crazy group of "pseudo-environmentalist". I know it would be funny, but with this group... you never know.

Watch for some new STCC group members with names like Mr. Ash, Ms. Maple, and Baron Von Cottonwood.

And it turns out that those Canal "trees" group members still couldn't post their own words on that STCC page.

The TREES tried to say they actually WANTED to be cut down, just to insure they acted responsibly for the SAFETY of the Embankment that grew up on, and the SECURITY of the Erie Canal communities, living below them.

But they were thwarted: Their pleas for REMOVAL on that STCC Facebook Group page were stifled by group founders who thought they should speak for those trees... LOL.


https://ecna.createaforum.com/the-stop-the-clearcut-argument/earthen-dams-fail-see-why!/msg2017/?topicseen#msg2017
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Re: Power of the People?
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2022, 10:11:03 am »
This picture was used in another post... but seems appropriate here as well.


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Here is a case of pure stupidity and ignorance. Who does Maier (& Agte) she think she is?  Why would they release sensitive documentation to a biology teacher and a bee keeper? It's ridiculous to the extreme. The arrogance of these two is almost beyond belief.

I have previously mentioned that I had an military expert on terrorist activities look at this and I can assure you there is a serious problem here.






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So let's review what this MetaBook Group, and its two Co-Founders, are now saying:

1) The NYSCC is "clear-cutting" trees along the Erie Canal, for no apparent reason, because those two Founders still refuse to believe the embankments are a danger to the public, despite 500 pages of SEQR documentation saying otherwise.

2) The don't accept the reason they can't get the information they asked, for regarding canal embankments, is due to a terrorism risk because they don't care to "believe" what the Canal Corporation tells them, ever.

So what is their reason if it's not terrorism concerns?

3) They mock, ridicule, and basically are calling the NY State Canal Corporation "liars", because they won't listen to Ms Agte or Ms Maier's version of canal safety or include them in the conversation about Erie Canal Integrity improvements, that the group feels are unnecessary.

It appears that this social media group is just another bunch of "agitators", similar to those who toured the US Capital on January 6, except they chose to rally for the canal trees in Rochester.

4) This group on social media, claims the Erie Canal Embankment Integrity Program should be about "shade & scenery", not about public safety or the sustainability of the Canal System...both of those issues are still being denied by this MetaBook group.

Of course, this Facebook group is wrong on all counts, but it's not because of the members... this type of group "behavior" starts at the top, and filters down in most cases.

And it is no wonder that the Canal Corporation has stopped including these two Founders, in any communication, regarding this critical Canal infrastructure and public safety effort.

It's become VERY obvious now, that the group, who is living in the "Metaverse of the Facebook World", has lost all touch with the REALITY of the real world that the rest of us live in.

In that world we listen to Dam Owners, who have 100 year old overgrown earthen dams that are a danger.

And we work together as a society to help clear the danger and restore safety to the Canal System and the Public using it.

There is only one reason this group has become so "lost in the weeds" regarding public safety along the Erie canalway.

It's a common problem we all have seen before....

it is 100% due to Poor Leadership

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