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Michael Caswell

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"We need to find a way!"
« on: August 21, 2021, 09:15:38 am »

So Ms Agte said "We need to find a way to make it safe but beautiful. Not just safe or beautiful."

What is so obvious here is that, after FOUR YEARS of wiggling, Ms Agte has not come up with ANY solution to make these dangerous dams safe with these trees left in place.

She also said There are years and years of maintenance that needs to be done, but why not do that maintenance first and then talk about whether or not the trees are creating a problem?”
This shows a total lack of understanding of the problems.  If there was a leak, how can the machinery get in to deal with it? The Rizzo Engineering Co said they couldn't conduct proper inspections with all this brush and trees. They gave the dam a Class C High hazard rating 4 years ago, and recommended immediate emergency action to remove trees etc.

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Re: "We need to find a way!"
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2021, 10:34:14 am »
This is a good opportunity to view this problem of unsafe canal embankments from the perspective of the Property Owner, the New York Canal Corporation.

They have said this about their Erie Canal Earthen Embankment Integrity Issues:

For a total of approximately 125 miles of its 524-mile length, the Canal runs through built earthen embankments. These embankment structures exist at many non-continuous points along the Canal, but the concentration of high hazard large embankments is located between Lockport in Niagara County and Lyons in Wayne County (shorter stretches of high hazard embankments are found elsewhere). “High hazard” means that failure would likely result in, among other things, loss of life or widespread economic impact.

And they have created a PROGRAM to correct the Public Safety problem that most call the Erie Canal:

The New York State Canal Corporation is developing an embankment inspection and maintenance guidebook that will set forth protocols for safety, inspection, maintenance, community outreach and related environmental concerns, including a procedural approach as to where trees will be removed. While there will be a presumption that all trees and other unsuitable vegetation will be cleared to protect people and property, the guidebook will also recognize opportunities to consider alternatives to tree clearing in areas used for recreation, parks, municipal, residential and commercial areas.

Sadly Ms. Agte, Ms Maier, and their band of "crusaders" simply won't accept the "findings" of the Environmental Study they asked the Canal Corporation to perform which are listed below:

Proper maintenance of the embankments is imperative to maintain integrity of the structures: for minimizing risks of embankment failures to people that live, work or recreate along the NYS Canal System; for minimizing the risks to property and the environment; and for maintaining the integrity of the NYS Canal System in a cost-effective manner. Proper maintenance of the embankments willprevent interruptions of the usage of the NYS Canal System by boaters and towpath users.

Parts of the embankments have become overgrown with trees, brush and unwanted vegetation, are subject to animal burrowing, and are experiencing erosion, seepage, or settlement. Concrete and masonry surfaces that follow the embankment lines and grades also suffer from various types of deterioration. These conditions compromise the integrity of the embankments and hinder safety inspections, which impede the safe operation of the NYS Canal System and can cause embankment failures. Together they represent significant public safety, environmental and economic risks that must be properly managed.

To address this pressing need, the NYSCC will implement a comprehensive, system-wide embankment maintenance program (hereafter referred to as the Earthen Embankment Integrity Program, or EEIP) to restore, maintain and manage the integrity of embankments within the NYS Canal system, and has developed the NYSCC Inspection & Maintenance Guide Book (Guide Book) to carry out the program

And so now we have to watch the same group, do the same protest, about the same thing that they didn't like, 3 years ago.

And people in Monroe County and surrounding areas have to decide again if they want to listen to the owners of the NYS Canal System, who have provided evidence and science to support their case, or a group on Facebook called Stop the Canal Clear-cut, who has not provided anything but opinions and fractured ideas.

NYS residents can chose the NYS Canal Corporation's proposal of making necessary repairs to improve overall canal system public safety and sustainability.

Or they can chose the idea of this Facebook group that says "shade and public scenery" are more important that public safety and canal integrity.

Because if there "really was" a solution that could maintain public safety and keep the invasive woody vegetation on canal embankments, the Canal Corporation would GLADLY put that into practice, if only to make this group go away and stifle more lies and mis-information from it's co-founders.

After all, this drip, drip, drip, of STCC rhetoric is worse than any Erie Canal Water Torture that anyone should have to endure. And it's so painful watching the "blind lead the blind"...