Author Topic: Another attempt by the STCC to discredit the Canal Embankment Program  (Read 44 times)

Doug K

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Seems like the STCC is back at it once again, this time comparing the Erie Canal Embankment Restoration going in in western Monroe County to the 1938 radio show that aired the original War of the Worlds play. That broadcast was unique and started a panic along the East coast as the listeners of that day ALSO fell prey to the "fake" show that was playing out on their radios. It appears the STCC has stolen their playbook.

Perhaps this post was inspired by the recent showing of the classic movie War of the Worlds on public airways. In any case it is a VERY poor attempt at trying to accomplish the same general idea... both are trying to "scare" the public into believing something that is just not true.

That has been the campaign of this small group of Stop the Canal ClearCut fanatics from Day 1... no surprise it continues today.

Here's a one page reply to the post by Mr. Neale just so we can be clear of what this author is saying:



Such an ominous tone from the STCC, they are "waged in a war" it seems, at least that is what they must think. Sadly the "war" has ALWAYS been with their own inability to understand the truth and failure to recognize when the safety of the public is at risk, even after all this time

Maybe the STCC should simply "try" accepting the fact that the Erie Canal needs help to survive the "war" being waged against it by large woody vegetation growing along the embankment dams that line it. That is, after all, exactly what everyone who is an expert in Embankment Dams is saying about it.

But then again... remember what someone said a long time ago...
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Just as I thought... the 1951 Classic War of the Worlds is playing in our area.



And look... a new movie title... with STCC changes.




And this is the Canal Corporation according to STCC followers?




Actually the ECNA has figured out what is really going on with the Embankment Program... it's all spelled out here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeZe2qPLPh0

**Hint: The NY Canal Corporation is the Tortoise... STCC is the Hare.


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And true to form Ms Maier says     

https://www.facebook.com/groups/374651252977621/
Virginia Borden Maier "It's like you can just see the taxpayer dollars being dumped out by the truck full."

Oblivious to the fact that all the engineers and scientists are telling her that a safe embankment needs a slope ratio of 3:1, she's still bitchin' and moanin' about something.
The alternative is what? Let the embankments stay the way they are? Then what happens when a breach occurs? At least we'll be able to point the finger and Ms Maier and her little crowd.  Until the banks are repaired correctly, to engineered standards, we'll be able to say the delays have all been caused by the STCC. I hope that never happens, but they will need broad shoulders to carry that load.





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More from the pen of Ms Maier
 
On the question of 'How much is all this dirt costing?"

Virginia Borden Maier writes  Since the Canal Corporation won't just voluntarily tell the public this, we're just going to start saying that we estimate $30 million.


That's amazing!  I wonder how she came up with this number? Pulled it out of a hat perhaps?  I'll bet within a week, this number will be carved in stone on the STCC Facebook page.

They simply ignore the cost of the alternative, which is a breach of an unsafe dam. If it saves ONE person's life, it will be worth it. If it saves ONE dam repair, it will be worth it.  But of course, Ms Maier isn't concerned about all that, she lives way above any potential flood.
AND LEST THE STCC FORGETS  Remember the court injunction they filed against the NYPA   Almost $50,000 in legal fees for the three towns, Perinton, Pittsford and Brighton. I hate to think what it cost the NYPA in delays to their contracts, and their legal fees sorting out that mess. Perhaps the STCC should have a whip round from it's members (605 at last count)  that's only about $100 per member. Come on guys  - cough up! Its the neighborly thing to do!

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What's the cost of safety for those of us living below these dams in Perinton & Fairport?

Has this local group trying to stop the canal work, already placed a price on loss of lives if a flood does happen? That seems like a real possibility if none of the dams in Perinton get done. Why would anyone fight against a project to protect public safety? It's hard to understand why anyone wants to keep dams unsafe if that's the condition the Canal Corporation has said they are in. Am I missing something?

This Ms Maier of this STCC crew is acting like she takes the money out of her own pocket for this dam work. Seems like the Erie canal embankment work will stretch across the whole state, why does the opinion of this group even matter at all?

I'm a guest, been watching both ECNA & STCC for awhile. You can tell easily who is lying about canal safety, the group who seems to be placing a price tag on it.

I don't think it's a good idea for anyone in Pittsford or Perinton to support a group that can't understand that public safety is always most important to public workers in NY, it's about protecting the people who live here.

Don't we all depend on the canal corporation to insure the Erie canal works as it should, including making sure it's safe and meets state & federal requirements? If they say it's not safe and needs repair who are any of us to second guess their expertise?

What's happened to people in our towns that they have become this selfish?

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Somewhere on this Forum I posted information on NY Canal Corporation budgets, years 2016-2019. If you look long enough this information can be found on NY State websites. It's usually in pages and pages of Meeting Minutes, something most folks gloss over except Engineers & Researchers. It's always about data & numbers.

2016 (pre-NYPA) - Normal CC operating budget was about $55M, only $5M was from canal income, the rest was from the state, from who ran the canal corporation through the Thruway & DOT.

2017 (NYPA transition) - Starting at that $55M number they only did some internal changes but did pay Rizzo Engineering for the Erie Canal Safety Inspection...which led to the Embankment Program...not much change. They did get almost $3M approved at year end for the Vegetation Project.

2018 (EERP start) Total for the year was original $55M needed annually and they were also given another $40M for The many projects that were started for improved safety abd decreased risk to the state. Projects like Erie Canal Embankments and Deruyter Dam repair are a few that come to mind. NYPA asked the NYCC what was needed and they replied, extra budget money was approved in Fall 2018

2019 (EEIP start) I read somewhere the total budget for Canal Operations & Maintenance  (O&M) was less for this year than 2018. Still it is  $33M than in the past with the Thruway. The NYCC O&M number is around $88M this year, and they are also taking on more safety repairs and general improvements..like the SEQR work on Embankment Program. The are also now expanding the Erie Canal trail where needed to finish connecting the 500+ miles together.

After years of "limping along" and falling apart the Erie Canal is getting a much needed "facelift" by the re-energized Canal Corporation, energized by its new owners NYPA... and we also think we found the source of the funding for these Erie Canal Capital Improvements

NYPA has simple said when it comes to Dams it has to be about safety, not money...how true..

My answer to Concerned Neighbor is simple...

Just take a look and see what's happening west of Rochester, you will see a Safety Project in action. That same thing will happen in every single neighborhood that borders Erie Canal Embankment Dams. It's now a program by the NY Power & Canal Corporation that focuses on two things..Safety & Sustainability.

And it's not anyone's choice but our own...we ALL asked for Dam Safety years ago in this country... 2006 to be exact.

The National Dam Safety Program Act was voted into law back in 2006, by people who we elected into office to do this sort of thing...protecting the public, even if they don't think they need it. Rest assured that the "new" New York Canal Corporation has heard the message loud & clear.

They are in the "Make the Erie Canal Safe Again" business for the long haul... and have all the funding needed to accomplish their task, already provided by yet another State Act... Transportation Act of 2005 = Canal Infrastructure Improvements = $210M
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