Author Topic: Bill Maier has a dream!  (Read 40 times)

Doug K

  • ECNA Co-Founder
  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1110
  • Choosing to Live FREE of Social Media Influences
  • Location: Port Byron NY
    • ECNA US Website
Well Bill is probably trying to appease the FB Group Admin & Moderator.

The EEIP Guidebook, the Best Practices Handbook, and the rest of the EEIP information uses the word Natural & Vegetation many times, but only once together. Well not quite identical but close.

The word "Vegetation" is used with the following other words or phrases quite often:

Woody - and refers to trees and anything with 1" or larger diameter and it is not allowed on Earth Embankment Dams. This will be removed as part of the EEIP safety program.

Invasive - which is the current condition causing the need to clear, and this type is not allowed (but is natural occuring). EEIP will remove this as well, brush, grasses, shrubbery, berry bramble...all gone.

Turf - which is also called grass, it's the preferred vegetation covering for earthen embankments and is also natural, but not normally a native species. It is allowed to be planted on dams and levees that are cleared as part of State Vegetation Management Programs.

"Free Zone" - as in Vegetation-Free Zone. It's well described and states that with few exceptions, turf grass is the ONLY allowed, natural vegetation allowed in these defined earthen dam zones. This is what the purpose of the EEIP effort is, to restore the earthen dam "vegetation-free" zones.

Here's where  the two words Natural + Vegetation do occur together, sort of:

1.4.2.1.4 LEVEE REPAIR OR IMPROVEMENT 
The California guidance dictates that vegetation shall be removed as required to meet objectives of the specific project. Any vegetation removed may not be replaced in the vegetation management zone.

However, vegetation on other sections of the levee, not affected by the construction activity may remain in place, natural revegetation may be allowed outside of the vegetation management zone, and replanting may be allowed (see Section 1.4.2.1.7); for levees regulated by USACE, their approval is required for planting.

Engineers and levee maintaining agencies should also consider preserving trees and other woody vegetation within the vegetation management zone that provide important or critical habitat in consultation with the appropriate resource agencies by including the following root mitigation alternatives as part of any levee improvement program: 

The overall width of the levee is overbuilt landward by at least 15 feet beyond the standard minimum levee dimensions, or 


Note a few items here... It for California, and it's for levees. This is NY and these canal embankments are not levees. The EEIP documents state clearly that the NYSDEC & NYSCC will use Earthen DAM guidelines for Canal Earthen Embankments, to insure the highest level public safety is maintained.

AND...this section still says The California guidance dictates that vegetation shall be removed as required to meet objectives of the specific project. Any vegetation removed may not be replaced in the vegetation management zone.

And the EEIP program in NY State has defined the work/project/program, and they have also defined their Vegetation Management Zone. Their plan on record is similar to what would happen in California  or anywhere  Dam Safety work is done... they will clear woody & invasive vegetation, and plant natural turf grass vegetation in its place.

Sorry if that's not to the liking of those using the Empire Trail, but it's never been about any of you, which seems to be part of the problem here.

Just an FYI:

It's been about the hundreds of canal neighbors living below these unsafe dams, with earthen dam vegetation-free zones filled with so much woody & invasive vegetation these structures can't be properly inspected per NYS Guidelines.

It's about keeping people safe... but sadly that part escapes people like Bill, Virginia, Elizabeth, and Harvey.

Yea Harvey, we blame YOU for all of this mis-information and deception going on in Perinton.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2021, 07:12:08 pm by Doug K »