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Michael Caswell

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Dissent amongst the ranks of the STCC
« on: June 08, 2019, 09:16:54 am »
The cracks are getting bigger every day in the STCC.
Here's an interesting thread regarding the gravel being used out Albion way.




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Re: Dissent amongst the ranks of the STCC
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2019, 08:09:31 am »
I would be willing to place a bet that Mr. Robert G Langdon will be removed from the ranks of membership in the Stop the Canal Clearcut group before too long. Ms Maier, Ms. Agte, and Ms. Gouldthorpe don't take kindly to "constructive criticism", even when it's dead on correct.

And we just heard from Mr. Gallagher of the STCC, who says the STCC owns the Erie Canal Trail...so maybe they will bar Mr. Langdon from using it as punishment for his honesty. Pretty bold statement he made, and like always with the STCC..." Sometimes the Truth Hurts"

The ECNA has long stood behind its accuracy of posting the truth about the STCC, it's been a steady campaign of misinformation & deception with these folks from day 1. Started with the lie they told themselves. We are really sure other members feel the same way, but have to remain silent for fear of being expelled.

All we can say is this...Come join the ECNA, and help the fight to Save the Erie Canal... let's have the discussion about Dam Rehabilitation, not just say it's all wrong for upstate NY.

It's nice to know that some folks in the STCC group are willing to stand up and speak their "truth to management". It probably won't help to correct the internal leadership issues, but let's people know the truth about the groups antics.... And it's a start of maybe more people telling the Agte, Maier & Gallagher of the world they are wrong.

The STCC has the wrong message, wrong tactics, and is wrong for public safety.

Thank you Mr. Langdon for your "honesty", a rare commodity in the ranks of the STCC... as you have so aptly noted.
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Re: Dissent amongst the ranks of the STCC
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2019, 10:31:44 am »
EC... Great Catch.

Mr Langdon seems to have been a spectator on the STCC site for the past 18 months, can't find any other posting by him that would support the cause of the Stop the Canal Clearcut Leaders. This seems to be his first post and it seems to show how MANY of the "so-called" members of the STCC Facebook Group have been turned off by the continued lies & deception of the group.

The ECNA suggested the STCC does a "reset" on their membership count, when they closed late last year due to a "mole" in their midst. But they chose not to.Our guess was that of the 605 "reported members" only about a dozen would signup again if they had the choice. Unsure why most of those members haven't left on their own with all the crap they have been spreading. Especially with the possible liability that ALL of the STCC members might face if something tragic happened on canal embankments they wanted to keep "unsafe".

I guess if they leave they can't view  all the "drama" created by the group, which is almost comical at times.

Thank you Mr. Langdon for your clear concise view of the STCC... from inside the group.

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Re: Dissent amongst the ranks of the STCC
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2019, 12:50:32 pm »
Doug said   Especially with the possible liability that ALL of the STCC members might face if something tragic happened on canal embankments they wanted to keep "unsafe".


Oh! Yes, you're talking about CONSTRUCTIVE NOTICE I THINK.
 
That makes ALL STCC members liable in the event of a catastrophe, doesn't it? 

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/constructive+notice

n. a fiction that a person got notice even though actual notice was not personally delivered to him/her. The law may provide that a public notice put on the courthouse bulletin board is a substitute for actual notice. A prime example is allowing service by publication when a spouse has left the state to avoid service (legal delivery of a legal notice) in a divorce action. The legal advertisement of the summons in an approved newspaper is treated as constructive notice, just as if the summons and petition had been served personally.


Everyone knows that the NYPA has said the dams are unsafe, so there's your Constructive Notice folks!

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Re: Dissent amongst the ranks of the STCC
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2019, 11:49:50 am »
Well well well...it appears that Ms. Agte is now throwing here weight around, she's given the dreaded "STCC Scarlet Letter" to one of the members who has simple stated some rather obvious facts... the STCC whines WAY TOO MUCH.

First Ms. Agte gives the entire STCC this warning message while "on vacation"...



It appears it did not have the intended result because Mr. Langdon responded with his observations  that were greeted rather negatively by STCC Leader Ginny Maier in the post you saw above from Mike C.

So it looks like the idea of "Truth to Management"  isn't really wanted in the ranks of the Stop the Canal ClearCut Leadership. The truth hurts some say...  have to agree but add this... it hurts much more when you have been lying through your teeth to save face...

Now we see this today... sent from a source DEEP within the STCC Ranks... seems the leaders are now ganging up any any members that don't "Toe the Party Line"... never speak up against the STCC Leaders or you WILL be tossed out of the "public" group.



So if you read the whole conversation I think we ALL would ask the same thing...

How can Ms. Agte claim that they group is there "to support each other's concerns" yet when a member speaks up, they are ridiculed and called out in the STCC's public space?

Where's the REBUKE for Mr. Mangefrida?

Why hasn't the STCC Leadership asked for an "apology" from Mr.  Langdon?

Seems like they have a bias here... two men say something and get little in the way of a rebuke.. but this poor lady just agrees with what ONE of them said (see Mr. Langdon's comment) and she get's a public "tar & feathering". Do the leaders feel threatened by "simple honesty"

Perhaps their BIAS is against the Westside folks who don't agree with the STCC crap. Maybe we are a constant reminder of what they didn't do... Stop a Public Safety program from accomplishing it's goals. After all the people on the WEST side seems to have one thing up on those in the Eastern side of Rochester... brains.

We don't let people who have NO IDEA ABOUT SAFETY think they have the right to keep communities & residents living below unsafe embankment dams in danger, by stopping work on unsafe embankment dams.

Since when do those who have nothing to lose if an Erie Canal embankment breaks, think they have the right to decide about the safety of people living below those dams?

Westsiders, have your answer Ms.  Agte & Ms. Maier... NEVER!


Sadly these STCC Leaders & Members seem to fail to grasp the reality set before them once again...They have stopped NOTHING!

They did MOVE five work zones slated for the first Canal Corp Restoration Project to the new Embankment Rehab Program.That program is currently 6 months into a 10 month long State-wide Environmental Quality Review (SEQR) that will determine what gets done and where, for the Erie Canal Embankments going forward.

All UNSAFE embankments are going to get the same treatment folks, there is no "second choice" when it  comes to safety.

No doubt many people in town will be upset with Ms. Agte  & crew next December when they find out they may not all get as "much" as the west side did with their repaired dams, like barrier plantings.

The trees will be cleared, the stumps will be removed, and grass will be planted on all unsafe Erie Canal Embankments eventually, having the STCC whine about the work didn't make these dams any safer folks... get it? 

But they Stop the Canal Clearcut WILL get what they asked for... a properly completed SEQR Form that was NOT required according to NY DEC, and also cost taxpayers plenty. And all because Ms. Agte, Ms. Maier, Ms. Gouldthorpe, and Ms. Meuwissen decided "they" didn't like the fact that Erie Canal Embankments had become "unsafe" and said "trees" were not the issue, against everything the Canal Corporation told them...several times... they just don't get it.

If you are a member of the STCC be careful what you say... the leaders of the group seem to have a "master plan" and it ONLY includes people who want to whine about something they can't control and shouldn't be complaining about.

The Canal Corporation is FIXING many unsafe embankment dams in our communities along the Erie Canal, about 38 total to date... the STCC cannot deny that, the STCC also does  not believe it... it's all a ruse to them to "sell trees"...LOL

What a JOKE this group has become in such a short time... With 605 members you would think they could get more than 11 likes to a "mission statement" about the group




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Re: Dissent amongst the ranks of the STCC
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2019, 01:26:21 pm »
I just went onto the STCC Facebook page and pulled this.   



Unbelievable!