Author Topic: Blast from the Past- NC Resident Janice Gouldthorpe spreading Facebook Mis-Information!  (Read 94 times)

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It appears that once someone from Facebook's Stop the Canal Clear-cut Group  leaves the Rochester area, they are still allowed to spread mis-information and continue their denialist approach to Erie Canal issues back in New York State, especially within this Facebook Group's membership.

Anyone in New York or outside of the State can add whatever "opinion" they have about New York's Canal safety and makeup whatever they like to support leaving danger trees along the Erie Canal... all in the name of the "urban forest" and support of this Facebook group's folly.


Case in point: Ms. Janice Gouldthorpe

Janice G used to be one of the 3 Amigos of the Stop the Canal Clear-cut Group, when it first started.

She posted her denialism about Erie Canal safety, like the rest of her group, and she often would ridicule & mock the NYS Canal Corporation along with her pals Virginia Maier & Elizabeth Agte. It was the Lizzy, Ginny and Janice show for quite awhile on this Facebook group... and then Janice moved to North Carolina in 2021. How sad that she left her friends to fight for "shade" that she no longer enjoys on her canalside walks.




Even now Ms. Gouldthorpe continues to post false stories about why some US. Cities are planting trees and she even states that these cities are trying to "build forests" by planting trees... which is TOTALLY FALSE!

I suppose she looked at the headline and posted the story, without ever actually READING the article, must have been hoping she would get a big response from the THOUSANDS of members of the STCC in Rochester, ignite their "tree passion" and create another "STCC Moment" of grassroots activism.

She only received a single reply from the group... of course that reply was in total agreement with her "mis-information... as expected.




If you take the time to read the story it's REALLY about selecting the "right trees" to plant in cities, especially those who have experienced issues with climate change and trees not surviving the warmer or colder temperature swings that come with warming our planet. It is NOT a story about planting MORE trees, just selecting trees that will survive and help create a better natural canopy.

Must be that the other 999 members of the group actually READ the article and didn't just agree with Janice G, like Ms. Beth Turduno who was the single reply.

https://www.fastcompany.com/90828197/were-being-a-little-more-picky-how-cities-are-rethinking-their-trees-in-the-face-of-climate-change?

So it appears that mis-information AND deception are still the best tools that this group can muster up to try and make their point, even to this day.

And it doesn't really matter if you live in New York State or if you leave and move to North Carolina,  the group and ALL it's member prefer to use fiction over facts and create "their own truth" about trees, the Erie Canal and Public Safety in New York State, no matter where they live. 

And sadly some NEW resident of North Carolina believes she should STILL have an opinion on the matter, from a thousand miles away, that flies in the face of the safety of New York residents and Erie Canal Neighbors.

I guess what they say about Ignorance is true... many people don't know what they "don't know".

Thank you Ms. Gouldthorpe for your continued ignorance of the truth, and continued denial of New York's Erie Canal Safety Issues

Without people like you Janice, and Elizabeth & Ginny, the Erie Canal Neighbors Association would have NOTHING interesting to post on our Forum and our readership would suffer for it.

What else could we write about that would have people scratching their heads and snickering about what a mess Facebook has become these days.
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Yes, Janice Gouldthorpe!   My mother had an appropriate expression for folks like her - 'mouth almighty!'

Ms Gouldthorpe was another resident who lived on the canal, on the safe side, completely out of danger from dangerous dams. No tons of water threatening her existence!

It's so easy to spout off like Janice when your butt isn't on the line!

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It's so easy to spout off like Janice when your butt isn't on the line!

And even easier when your 750 miles away from any Erie Canal flood

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A BLAST FROM THE PAST!!!!

On Apr 14, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Donald Gray <dnldgray@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Earth dams and levees are both constructed embankments.
 
They differ mainly in their purpose and type of hydraulic loading.   Earth dams are constructed across a stream or river to create an impoundment.  The impoundment provides water storage, flood control, and recreational opportunities.  An earthen levee is constructed parallel to a river or stream to prevent flooding of adjacent low-lying areas during periods of high water.  An earthen levee is subjected mainly to tangential-hydraulic forces (scour) whereas a dam is subjected to dynamic hydraulic forces (wave action).
 
 
I donít know of any earth dams where woody vegetation was purposely planted or allowed to grow on a face of the dam.  Such is not the case with earthen levees where vegetation can often be found growing on both the landward and water sides.
 
An earthen dam is designed and built to prevent overtopping and minimize through-flow (seepage).   Overtopping of an earth dam is prevented by building the dam high enough.   By comparison earthen levees have been built mainly to withstand  breaching that can occur during overtopping, through-flow and lateral scour.  The presence of vegetation on a levee helps prevent erosion that can occur during overtopping and lateral scour.
 
Iíve attached a revised version of the article sent to you earlier that examines the risks and benefits of woody vegetation on earthen levees.
 
Donald Gray


IN MEMORIUM

https://cee.engin.umich.edu/2022/12/02/in-memorium/
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Re: A BLAST FROM THE PAST!!!!
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2023, 09:18:03 am »
Since you brought this topic up, it's always good to put some perspective to Mr Gray and his "presumed support" of this Facebook group.

The Stop the Canal Clear-cut group's message has always run along the lines that Erie Canal Embankments are not actually "dams" and that they are "safer" with a covering of invasive vegetation.


The group found someone to support this idea, but only for a short time, until the truth was shared with that person.

Dr Gray was born in 1936, and retired from active teaching at age 65, in 2001. After Dr Gray retired his bio statement made this claim:

In 2001, Prof. Gray retired from active teaching at U-M. He continued to participate in workshops and professional short courses, and enjoyed working as an expert witness in legal cases.

So the LEADERS of this Facebook group contacted Dr Gray, in 2018, when he was 82 years old, to be their "expert" on all Erie Canal Embankment Dams.

All of this despite the fact that Dr Gray's expertise was on general slope & soil science, he was NOT an expert on water impounding structures called dams, but did have an "opinion" on LEVEES and the benefits of vegetation there.

The leaders of this Facebook group fed an 82 year old man only half the story, and NONE of the actual facts. They tried to convince Dr Gray to accept THEIR facts and opinions as truth.


It almost borders on "elder abuse".

Sadly they succeeded,  but only until the ECNA contacted Dr Gray and explained the situation, shared the facts, and received HIS statement SUPPORTING the removal of trees from these Erie Canal earthen dams.

Read Dr Gray's quote AGAIN:

I donít know of any earth dams where woody vegetation was purposely planted or allowed to grow on a face of the dam. 

Such is not the case with earthen levees where vegetation can often be found growing on both the landward and water sides.


And just to emphasize that statement about the necessity to have an absence of woody vegetation on earthen dams, the ECNA actually hunted down a HYDROLOGY EXPERT named Dr. Dave Rosgen, who gave us a statement about trees on Embankment Dams

"It is my opinion that in this matter, the TREES present a "high risk" related to wasting processes, due to fill embankments and water stages that are RAISED higher than the surrounding original floodplains.

The grassed embankments would generally cause less risk to failure than trees on embankments, due to that mass wasting failure potential."


You can read about that here:

https://ecna.createaforum.com/general-discussion/important-announcement-coming-soon/msg178/#msg178

By the way, Dr Rosgen contacted the Facebook group and shared this same truth, but they REFUSED to accept it, despite Dave Rosgen's extensive credentials.

Sometimes there's a fine line between truth and mis-information,  sometimes its hard to distinguish opinions vs factual information.

That is NOT the case here, TWO presumed experts BOTH have stated plainly, that large woody vegetation should NOT be allowed on any RAISED earthen structures, that are impounding water, for any great length of time


Sadly a local Facebook group continues to ignore the truth shared by these two experts, and continues to push a narrative that leaves many Erie Canal Neighbors at risk of possible loss of life or property

The reason why is still unknown,  but perhaps its simply because they will never admit they were "dead wrong" on their understanding of public safety & the Erie Canal.


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