Author Topic: It's all going downhill!  (Read 34 times)

Michael Caswell

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It's all going downhill!
« on: April 11, 2019, 11:19:42 am »
According to Mr Gallagher on his STCC Facebook post.


But here's why it won't do that Kevin. It's all to do with dam engineering, a subject worth studying.
They've just rebuild the slope of the dam to a 3:1 ratio for the very reason you discuss, stopping a slide.
By making the pitch shallower, that immediately reduces the risk of slippage, because it alters the Phreatic Line.
Finally, a healthy thatch of grass will shed off all rainwater, ensuring the upper soil is kept drier.

Here's a good explanation of how the NYPA are addressing the problems.
https://youtu.be/BNFQ1EJX4h0

I hope this helps you understand what's going on here.

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Re: It's all going downhill!
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2019, 12:43:20 pm »
We seem to be finding that the regular members who post on the STCC Facebook site, all keep showing each other pictures of Dams but can't seem to believe that's what they are... only now they are "safe" Embankment Dams that comply with Federal Laws & Guidelines.

Here's a few more posts that all can be filed under the topic of: Dam Restoration in My Backyard

First there is the constant complaining about what a "chore" it has become to get unsafe dams fixed.. this post is from an STCC supporter who seems to be interested in the project when it drives by their NEIGHBORS property. They live in a Dam Hazard zone, not actually next to the work itself. But they will benefit from the barrier planting that will occur in this very close neighborhood along the canal in Brockport.



Here's a post on how STCC "numbers" just don't add up...

https://ecna.createaforum.com/the-stop-the-clearcut-argument/stcc-can-a-group-be-'civic-minded'-who-advocates-breaking-us-dam-safety-laws/?message=489

This one below has a couple more posting from the other "regular" members of the STCC, these folks have populated the Facebook site with the entire transformation, sadly none of them still want to call these for what they are; Embankment Dams. It seems the word "dam" is really a four-letter word to these folks. They will say trail, slope, hill...and some brave souls try Embankment, but never ending with Dam.. that means laws have to be followed...for safety reasons.. to protect the environment from something called a flood... lol. I love the camera work of these two...



This last one is a bit different post than the other... it really is NOT an honest assessment of the work at this Erie Canal neighboring property. I posted it because it DOES shows once again the point that we've tried to make all along about the STCC and it's followers.

Sometimes what they are NOT telling their fellow members, or NOT showing in the pictures they share might just tell the real story.

If I were looking at the top set of pictures I would say "Wow, that's quite clear... must have affected your privacy quite a bit"... these poor people. Oh the humanity.... Of course after viewing the bottom picture, a completely DIFFERENT story emerges... doesn't it?



So once again, for all of you folks who are sitting on the fence about supporting the STCC view of this safety work, please, please.. remember.

Take whatever the STCC tells you about the Erie Canal Embankment Program with "a grain of salt".
« Last Edit: April 11, 2019, 08:27:09 pm by Michael Caswell »

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Re: It's all going downhill!
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2019, 02:18:43 pm »
By the way.. Mr. Gallagher has a very good eye.. this slope section could NOT meet the 3:1 slope ratio suggested.. but it's close. Thanks for posting the comments. As I said before, Kevin does make a good point about that hill, it is not a 3:1 as you stated.. the dam is too HIGH and the Canal Property owns too little land to make the 3:1 work on the whole embankment here. And throw in a culvert that is close as well. But the embankment is better, it's clean and safer here.

What all these STCC pictures show is Dam Embankment Soil (very specially engineered) that has been compacted to soil pressure specifications. It gets topsoil in the next month, and straw covering, and hydro seeding of the grass/wildflower mix specially prepared for this project. I do believe the grass/wildflower mix will also be used in the next Embankment Integrity Program that will be announced for your area soon.

It's starting to look like Earthen Dams are falling from the sky around here... they are everywhere now here in Brockport.