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Michael Caswell

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It's not just 'dirt!
« on: December 28, 2018, 05:47:06 am »
Here's the latest STCC Facebook post that needs answering.

Susan Manogue Donk THEY'RE BACK! They are working on the part above the green snake, digging out a lot more dirt. I am calling this "removing the roots" phase. Digging out large scoops of dirt, dumping it in a truck to cart away. Meanwhile another truck appears with dirt to replace it, then "swivels around" to take away the excavator's dirt. Talk about de-stabilizing the earthen bank! At some point they better be tamping this down! Thursday, December 27, 2018 8:15am across from Allied in Brockport.

Julie Mellen Damerell Thank you for documenting this and describing what you see. So glad their "no one will notice" assumption isn't working for them

Ms Donk
It's quite apparent from your post that you are not an engineer or an expert in dam remediation.  So, here's a link to what is actually going on. You'll see that some soil is being removed, and replaced with a special clay that has been trucked in and kept at a certain temperature  to ensure it 'fuses' correctly. I am really surprised at the ignorance in the STCC and that they think the canal engineers have no clue, yet in truth the boot is on the other foot.

https://ecna.createaforum.com/notices-from-the-canal-authority/earthen-embankment-remediation-project-(eerp)-repair-process-steps-illustrated/

Ms Damereli
Surely it's YOUR assumption that they assume no one will notice? The Canal Corp are doing exactly what they have said they'll do.  The STCC Facebook page does not  publish the procedures the CC are using, because it doesn't jibe with their philosophies!  Have you seen where they have gone quiet over the rebuttal they just received from Dr D  Rosgen, an expert on vegetation on Levees and dams?"

https://ecna.createaforum.com/notices-from-the-canal-authority/check-the-ecna-forum-for-important-information-on-december-8-134/msg180/#msg180

And here's the other 'expert' witness!
https://eriecanalfacts.wordpress.com/2018/04/19/testimony-in-question-vegetation-on-dams/

Shame on the STCC for lying to these experts!  If you want the truth then look for it from the ECNA at www.ecna.us and www.eriecanalfacts.wordpress.com

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Doug K

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Re: It's not just 'dirt!
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2018, 09:12:44 am »
Sadly this Stop the Clear Cut Group (STCC) has tried to push a message of being "Nature's Friend" when it's very clear that large vegetation & trees are what have been destabilizing the Embankments along the Erie Canal for years and also preventing a proper inspection of the Outboard Slopes of the Dams to insure the Safety & Well Being of the Communities surrounding the waterway. The Earthen Embankment Remediation Project (EERP) is trying to address this lack of maintenance but sadly the STCC group thinks making fun the of the project name is the best use of their time.

This Stop Group continues to lie to themselves and their "followers" regarding this project, choosing a path of dis-information, deflection and outright deceit of the truth regarding Embankment Dam Safety. Praising themselves as "warriors & guardians" seems to be their only defense as they continue to deny the simple truth about this EERP work, even when their own experts try to correct them. 

Look no further then the STCC Charter Page on Facebook... it speaks for itself.


The Stop the Clear Cut group was WRONG about needing a review based on State Environmental Quality Review Act (SEQRA), confirmed through DEC Review.

The group was also WRONG about the use of their word "clear cut", as it has been determined the EERP is approved "Maintenance" on an Earthen Dam.

Finally, the STCC group was WRONG about the word STOP as they have stopped nothing on this project. Unless of course, you count those who have stopped respecting the STCC Leadership and have LEFT the Facebook Group to their eventual demise. Folks, can't help but note that 15% of the STCC Group has quit the group since they started... and only about 6 post routinely, half of that is from it's own misguided leadership.

 
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