Author Topic: Of course it's safe! Nothing wrong with our dam!  (Read 186 times)

Michael Caswell

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Of course it's safe! Nothing wrong with our dam!
« on: April 12, 2024, 07:07:52 am »
And then you read this story, and you have to wonder about the insanity of not adequately maintaining our old and dilapidated Erie Canal  embankment dams.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/utah-dam-crack-60-foot-panguitch-evacuation-preparations/

Perhaps it answers the question, why does the Canal Corp drain the canal every year?


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Do we have an emergency plan in place like these folks?

Sirens would sound in the event of an evacuation, and officers would go door to door to make sure everyone has cleared the area, Garfield County Sheriff Eric Houston said. A nearby chapel and high school would serve as emergency shelters.

If so, I have never seen it.  Perhaps making a public statement about such a plan would be considered  'scare-mongering'?  What do you think?



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Mike, the dam shown on that news story is the SAME SIZE as some earthen embankments along the Erie Canal. It appears that a foot thick ice sheet rammed into the top of the late 19th century Concrete Dam, causing a crack that now has created an extreme risk of failure and overtopping.

If the damage section falls over the outer slope it's all over for that water impoundment.

Had to note this simple statement from your story: Sirens would sound in the event of an evacuation

Sirens? Does any community along the Erie Canal have an 'action plan' for a potential flood & evacuation that includes a SIREN? I'm not sure there's even ONE plan on record, for any Erie Canal Community, that includes sirens, door to door warnings, or even a meeting place for residents who may be effected by rushing flood waters.

And also this statement one about evacuation for these towns, a whole 2 hours to collect belongings BEFORE a town or two is devastated by a flood...

Utah Highway Patrol told residents Wednesday that they should have ample time to gather their belongings and evacuate safely. "This can be orderly," he said. "If the notice is that the dam has broken or breached, we have time. The estimation is roughly two hours before those floodwaters are really inundating the town."

So maybe this is where the rub is, most community's that might be effected by an Erie Canal Breach & subsequent flood would have about 2 MINUTES to react, if the Erie Embankments gave way near a place like Brockport, Fairport, or Pittsford. No time to grab belongings and flee, no warning set aside for a flood, no evacuation or action plan at all in place... does anyone wonder why?

It's because there are MANY people who are still in denial about the public safety issues along the NYS Canal System, and sadly some of these people are holding government positions in these Townships such as Mayor or Town Supervisor. Go talk to Perinton or Fairport government and ask them about their action plans, many in these communities do NOT believe the NYS Canal Corporation about potential flood issues, and instead side with those on social media saying the Erie Canal is "just fine", no issues.

And those groups on Social Media websites, like the STCC, those folks who call themselves 'citizen scientists' & "environmental warriors", well they not only deny the safety issues that NY State has brought up concerning the whole Canal System, they also refuse to believe Dam Safety EXPERTS who have warned of the impending flood if nothing is done to correct these earthen embankment deficiencies.

Yes folks, groups like the Stop the Canal Clear-cut are STILL saying it's 'fear-mongering on the part of these NYS Agencies, who are tasked with keeping the NYS Canal System open and also in 'safe operation condition'. They still hold to their false claims that 'nothing is wrong with the Erie Canal, even after the warnings, the many "near-miss" failures of several embankment sections, and a extensive & exhaustive NYS SEQR Report & Study supporting the NYS Canal position that the Erie Canal has become a 'public danger'.

I wonder how many of the residents in Panguitch or Circleville are telling the Utah Highway Patrol that they are "fear-mongering" and full of crap?

I bet the answer is ZERO... I bet Utah residents take dam safety in THEIR state very seriously...
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Well?  I wonder what the Town & Village Officials have to say about any warning system. Or perhaps they are too afraid of causing a 'stir' and be labeled as 'fear-mongering'? I guess declaring we have an emergency early warning system would be an admission that something is wrong with our tired old canal embankment dams?

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Found a great video released to YouTube that explains everything wrong with this old dam.

https://youtu.be/_HSaaI7fKl8?si=haz1aBrb-pFG5B52