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Michael Caswell

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She already knows the answer!
« on: May 22, 2021, 03:24:32 pm »



When the Canal Corporation was fixing a dangerous leak, almost outside Ms Agte's front door about 3 years ago, they were making one hell of a din for about four weeks. I could actually see and hear the work going on from my lounge window.
What surprised me at the time was that nowhere on the STCC Facebook page, were there any comments regarding this, which was alarming, because there was a swamp with cat-tails and other water loving plants right where they hammered in 40 feet lengths for over 200 feet of the embankment. 

There's no doubt the Canal Corporation was concerned, because this was almost the same spot where the dam failed in 1912, but this time it wouldn't have just flooded a few fields, the Town of Perinton had ignored the fact this was a dam, and had allowed schools, businesses and many score of houses to be built in the dam hazard zone.

https://youtu.be/5CcVSVhAYvA

So, why didn't Ms Agte ever mention this?  It's simple really, she'd been preaching that there was nothing wrong with the canal in Perinton, it was safe, and the NYPA were just 'fear-mongering'.  How could she explain away this mammoth repair?  Better if it was just simply ignored, like so many things the STCC have ignored when it suited their 'cause'.

You can see the extent of this repair here -https://eriecanalfacts.wordpress.com/2018/04/14/340/

As Ms Agte said, "Driving in piling. You will hear from a mile away....will it stop the leaking?"  Of course it will, she has the proof right under her nose! But admission of the NYPA's success would just be too much, wouldn't it!

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Re: She already knows the answer!
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2021, 03:43:53 pm »
Does anyone else see the irony here?

The group is denying that this issue is happening on an Earthen Canal Embankment. And they are showing pictures of an Embankment Dam, with Steel Plating that has been pounded into it. This is typical of EMERGENCY TYPE repairs that have been happening along the canal for the past 4 years... hard to ignore the simple fact that they ARE NOT pounding those steel plates into cement... right?

The Facebook group member who wrote this post, seems to think that a cement lining on the inboard slope of on a 18' tall canal embankment somehow make that earthen dam "different" than a canal embankment with a rip-rap rock on the inside slope.

It's still a LEAK, it still erodes the EMBANKMENT earth away, it really doesn't matter what the "inside" of the DAM is made of, especially if it's leaking and causing canal closures...does it?

The EARTHEN DAM HAS FAILED... while this group talks about "materials".

I have no words to explain why this continued "dam blindness" exists.. the Stop the Canal Clear-cut Groups' "logic" lies somewhere between absurd, and ridiculous. It's members are driven by LEADERSHIP who told them to never refer to these "hills" as Dams. It's beyond logic, reason and common sense.

Or perhaps it's just a group who doesn't realize that "their stupid side is showing".

The group's own posts show a total lack of understanding about the critical issues involved with repairing an aging canal system, but then again, their name shows they don't understand the first thing about what really constitutes "clear-cutting".

This is NOT it folks... believe us.

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Unbelievable yet fascinating. Like watching a car wreck in slow-motion.

So, the group's leader's, like Ms. Gouldthorpe, tend to pop in an try to rile up the members from time to time. More false claims, more inaccurate statements that are supposed to be believed as "fact".

The truth is that the group has been claiming all along that "nothing was wrong" with the NYS Canal System but now overwhelming evidence like this breach washout in Macedon and a major emergency repair for "seepage" in Brockport have proven them wrong...once again.





And at the bottom of the post, in the comments, those two "newer" members have joined right in with their valued opinions. Just like their Leaders & Founder, it's always popular to say stupid things and have people agree with you, showing once again that social media tends to become an "amplifier for the inane".

Maybe these new members haven't seen all the post from STCC members raving how nice the REPLANTED Shrubs & Trees are along the Brockport & Holley Embankments... they were planted by the NYS Canal Corporation. You can read those in the ECNA post below. Most Erie Neighbors like the 1700 trees that the NYS Canal Corporation planted in April.

https://ecna.createaforum.com/the-stop-the-clearcut-argument/facebook's-stop-the-canal-clear-cut-group-where-ironic-moronic-collide!/

Obviously these two gals are just trying to make "points" with the group's Founder, who posted something about a boat getting stuck in the washout section of the canal in Macedon.


Seems the group is blind to so many things... earthen dams, tree planting, public safety...and a 100 year old man-made canal that they think "works great" the way it is. Really? Only need to look at the Canal Notices to see it's slowly crumbling away, and becoming a bigger  DANGER, each passing day.

There are now 18 different notices for MAJOR & MINOR issues with the Canal System...and it's only May. Everything from leaking embankments, to channel obstructions and even a major washout BREACH in Palmyra & Macedon. And this group is STILL saying that "trees" deserve the attention?

Wow, talk about the blind leading the blind... what happens when blind & "intellectually challenged" combine together?



On a lighter note, if you want to see more on the Washout Repair...go here and see the news story & plan. It was from the Finger Lakes Times and has a nice picture of a temporary solution...the Aqua Dam... it's plastic, it's portable, and it just might get water travel going again.


https://www.fltimes.com/news/repairs-to-macedon-spillway-stall-erie-canal-boat-traffic/article_8e74dc72-5cce-54ca-82bc-176a3168a561.html




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STCC really off topic now!
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2021, 11:46:06 am »


I guess this group is really floundering for things to say bad about the NYCC.

Their postings get less and less toxic every day.

Mr Corby (ex-mayor) is busy posting scenic photos of Pittsford, and here Ms Meuwissen is busy posting NYCC ads.





Can it be that they've begun to realize their mission of 'Stopping The Clear Cut' is fizzling out like a damp firework?

Can it be they're trying to save their group from extinction?

I guess it's something to do with their egos, and realizing that egg on the face is maybe coming their way this fall, so lets change the subject eh?

Oh! Dear!


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Janice Goldthorpe's at it again.

She has nothing better to do but put a 'spin' on The Belle's good news to denigrate the NYPA.

Unbelievable and pitiful, all at the same time.




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Couldn't agree more Mike, this Facebook Group continues to try and paint the picture that the NY State Canal Corporation is the "boogie man", now using the "poor Colonial Belle" as the catalyst for their fake facts and hype about being "stranded" away from their "home in Fairport".

Here's another post from one of the STCC group's "engineers", who's supposed to be steering them to the truth, not away from it.






STRANDED...the word is stranded! Now one may ask, why?

Well if you look at the Colonial Belle's Facebook Page you can see the answer, they were stuck due to a CANAL BREACH that the Stop the Canal Clear-cut group said "couldn't happen".

In fact this STCC group has been stating for three years now that "nothing is wrong" with the Erie Canal, it's water impoundments (earthen and other), all while it continues to be shut down daily with issues from failing locks to channel debris.

A MAJOR CANAL EARTHEN BREACH and they still are in denial about safety of the canal embankments and system as a whole





And to make matters worse for this STCC Facebook Group's "exaggeration of the truth", you only need to look at the Facebook page for the Colonial Belle, which says they are doing "quite well" running out of their temporary home, filling the ship, cruising most days & weekends.

They don't appear to be that "stranded"

https://www.facebook.com/colonialbelle

It would appear that "being stranded" with a boat on the Erie Canal has it's upside for "other Erie Canal communities".






Just more MISINFORMATION from a Facebook Group and it's Leadership, that information is aimed at the groups members, who seem to be unable to think for themselves, and still intent to ignore canal safety and unsafe embankments that are now causing breaches and closure of the waterway.

It's about time the hundreds of 'silent' members of this Facebook group stop being "complicit" to the messages being spread by Ms Agte and her "scoffers of safety", and start looking at the facts, which have ALWAYS run contrary to the rhetoric of this misguided group.

Time to listen to the truth about canal embankments, that is being stated by the owners of the property itself.

Time to stop pandering to those who won't do that, for whatever reason they want to make up.
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I guess the STCC Group is desperate!
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2021, 08:54:45 am »



I guess these folks have just realized the New York Power Authority has been ignoring them, that's what happens when you won't listen or believe the message of Erie Canal Safety First.

So now they're trying yet another delaying tactic in a feeble attempt to delay the inevitable.

I'm pretty sure that NYPA and the NYS Canal Corp are more than used to this 'letter bombing' tactics and will simply ignore them... once again.
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Re: I guess the STCC Group is desperate!
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2021, 12:38:24 pm »
Mike, You left out the BEST PART of that recent Facebook Post by Ginny Maier. I had to get the picture to share as well as the comments.



Talk about a pot calling the kettle "black"... this takes the cake.

Someone in the Stop the Canal Clear-cut Group, an organization that is ACTIVELY fighting AGAINST the maintenance of unsafe canal embankments, called the Canal Corporation "shameful". WOW!

And now Leader Maier says CALL the NYCC! all of "MY" faithful members, we have to DEMAND more time to moan, gripe and/or whine about Erie Canal Embankments. And she wants them to let her know they called by posting comments.

What for? So she can believe she is right?

Sounds like a movie I saw once, about a wizard and a place called Oz... Go Go.. my "flying monkeys"

Just just how long does it take to say "we don't like what you stated in the Guidebook" and we don't believe the "facts & science" that support it?

Folks, the EEIP Embankment Guidebook, the SEQR Environmental Impact Statement, and the Appendix Items in this recent EEIP document release, all mean the same thing for this Facebook group...


The STCC group GOT WHAT THEY ASKED FOR when they stopped the last Embankment work in Perinton.
 
But they don't like the answer they got in the EEIP Guidebook and GEIS.


The Stop the Canal Clear-cut group HAS NO WAY TO STOP the new EEIP work using SEQR as they did in the past.

And they don't like that simple fact either


And the Stop the Canal Clear-cut group WILL FADE INTO A DISTANT MEMORY very soon, once members finally realize they believed the wrong message, and followed "blind" leaders.

Then Ms. Agte, Ms Maier, Ms Gouldthorpe, Ms Meuwissen, and all the other STCC "minions" will have to accept they were wrong


Because in the end,  the group will go away (hopefully quietly), while the 4 LEADERS will hang their heads in shame for deceiving so many people with their mis-information and "valued opinions".

Or they won't admit they were wrong, and they will continue to NOT BE HEARD AND NOT BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY by the folks who run the NYS Canal System.


After all, the NYS Canal Corporation & NYPA are still trying to REPAIR a Public Safety NIGHTMARE, that this STCC Facebook Group and it's CORE LEADERSHIP still refuses to acknowledge, accept or approve. They would rather fight until their last breath, supporting the lies they convinced themselves & others to believe...hook, line & sinker.

I know one thing for sure... I'm glad I'm not Ms Agte or Ms Maier right now.

Because Batman & Robin are not "coming to the rescue".
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REAL Canal Issues!
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2021, 05:46:30 am »


REAL issues?  Ms Donk seems to think that flooding, canal breeches, inspections of a class C HIGH HAZARD DAM, are not REAL ISSUES along the Canal?

How dense can these people be? 

I am simply horrified at the stupidity of some of these STCC members! Not only to believe their flawed thinking is true...

But to actually say it out loud in a Facebook Post, so that everyone in Rochester can see how ridiculous it all sounds.

What's the saying...OMG?

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Re: Canals REAL issues!
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2021, 05:53:40 am »


A PARKLAND?  Really? A PARKLAND?

Whatever will this group & it's leader, come up with next?

 (We've already seen then tout SHADE,  OXYGEN LOSS and SELLING TREES FOR PROFIT- I guess all that must have gotten tired)

The mind boggles at this one.

It's not a PARKLAND, it 's an EARTHEN DAM for crying out loud!   

Worse, it's a CLASS C High Hazard DAM, holding millions of gallons of water which is leaking out all over the place.

An unplanned TREE being toppled or a Tree ROOT piping canal water, and hundreds of people would drown!

All it takes is one Woodchuck burrow collapsing and 150' of Embankment Slope can disappear in a couple hours, and no way to stop 66 million gallons of water from crashing down on Perinton or Fairport

PHEW!  Now..it's a Parkland
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Re: Canals REAL issues!
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2021, 07:55:50 am »
Sadly the idea of this Facebook group being able to understand how the Canal System works is not coming to fruition.

They don't even understand who's responsible for the water, the Empire trail, the land around it, or the bridges that traverse it...

No matter how many times the NYS Canal Corporation states that "Canal Lift Bridges are maintained by, and the responsibility of, the NYS Dept. of Transportation, the folks in this group continue to believe otherwise.

Similar to how many times the groups & it's leaders have been told the Canal Embankments will be treated like the Earthen Dams that they are, and these Embankments fall under NYS Dam Rules & Regulations for safety, accessibility, and vegetation cover.

So why do members like Ms Donk, Mr Gallagher, Ms Agte and Maier think that "the NYS rules don't apply" and they should be allowed to "make up their own new ones"?

And this Facebook Group believes they can make up those new Earthen Embankment rules with NO understanding of Dam Safety or Function, NO understanding of Danger imposed on the public by impounded water, and NO care for anything but "shade", no care for the Erie Canal Neighbors loving below.

Do they really think the OWNERS of the NYS Canal System would even consider listening to anyone who can't understand the basic premise of "public safety" on their property?

Somehow the Stop the Canal Clear-cut believes they should..

Just because Agte & Maier say they should.

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