Author Topic: Shouldn't Erie Canal SAFETY be left to Science and not a "Feeling"?  (Read 288 times)

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And still the STCC, who continues fighting this safety project, simply IGNORES Embankment Dam Rules, Regulations and SCIENCE and believes they can simply "distort" the Facts, chose their own "terminology" and deflect all criticism from anyone who wants to talk about Safety... or Embankment Dams

Take  look..


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Three Bored Housewives?
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2018, 07:26:15 am »
Posted by Elizabeth Agte yesterday.

To all you warriors who have been keeping us posted and taking pictures, thank you! The magnitude of the work happening behind your homes is frankly, staggering. We have been promised the Environmental Assessment Form that CC had to fill out to do this work, and we have no patience with the waiting. As all of you can see with your own eyes the impact on the embankment and environment are yet to be told, especially as the rains start tonight. We want to know about flooded yards and basements.
I don't want to alarm anyone, but when my husband called to talk to Monroe County Emergency Protection about any emergency plans in place while this work is being done, they said that yeah, they knew about the project, because they had read it in the paper. !!!!! And they weren't at all concerned or alarmed because the CC knew what they were doing. !!!! So the CC did NOT reach out to Monroe County, and I am assuming didn't reach out to Orleans either, and they found out the same way at the same time everyone else did, barely a working week before the equipment arrived. CC does NOT have an emergency plan in place, (we asked at the meeting) they are relying on the counties to take care of it, and the counties are expecting that the CC is doing work as normal, and so they aren't even asking or looking... Except we all know by now the CC is doing work that has never been done before. When my husband talked to the County guy, he was very tight lipped, basically yes or no answers. And of course we have the county /state hierarchy to contend with, which is why accidents happen to begin with, no one wants to get slapped on the wrist or worse for noticing something someone else is doing wrong.
I've been getting word that the Tioga Crew is getting testy about being watched and photographed and have dash cams in place. When I heard they were photographing everyone, I asked... what do they thing we are going to do? TIE OURSELVES TO TREES? So folks, it's time for Groucho masks... HA!
TODAY after waiting two weeks, the CC finally posted trail closures on their website.
Keep the pressure on. I think we may be the only emergency protect plan out there


So, it seems that everyone except the STCC has faith that the Canal Corp knows what they are doing.  What troubles me is that this group, managed by three bored housewives, thinks that they are experts in all things concerning canal maintenance. They have proven that they aren't in so many ways before, so what's changed today? Yes, these crews are getting testy, because these paparazzi's hiding behind trees are a damned nuisance, accidents waiting to happen. Only a couple of days ago one idiot was jogging right through the construction zone and ran behind an excavator just as it was swinging round. He nearly got killed. That is why the CC has closed the trails now. These crews are doing a dangerous job. The message is clear KEEP OUT - STAY AWAY!

From this post, it is quite clear that The Authorities have confidence in the NYPA/CC and realise that being tight lipped where the STCC is concerned is the best policy. As for the canal flooding yards etc. It's empty right now folks!   Didn't the STCC notice?

Hopefully, we won't see Ms Agte marching through these construction zones like she's done in the past. There's simply no need for people with no engineering or heavy equipment experience to think they have the skills to monitor this work. If they are concerned with safety, my recommendation is - STAY AWAY!

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Re: Three Bored Housewives?
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2018, 08:41:30 am »
Once again it's Deceit, Deception & LOTS of DISINFORMATION from the STCC Leadership in an endless pursuit to try and justify their own existence. But you came to the RIGHT spot for the truth, folks, the Erie Canal Neighbors Association Forum where we continue to act as "Mythbusters"

Let's take claim #1 - No Emergency Plan while the Earthen Embankment Remediation Project (EERP) is ongoing

This is directly from the Canal Corp Website, who has ALWAYS had an Emergency Plan and provided Emergency Contact Information


Not to mention that the NY Canal Corporation has shared their Operations Emergency Number with the ECNA and has been posted here throughout the EERP Project. It really isn't that hard to see the issue here.. a group dedicated to perpetuating their own lies & myths.

1-866-691-8282 Erie Canal Emergency Reporting

Claim #2 - The NY Canal Corporation hasn't "done this before" and is somewhat "inept" at fixing Embankment Dams.

Well we all know these Embankment Dams have gone along with little to no maintenance for many years, that is why the EERP project was created. In their foresight the NY Canal Corp also selected a few Engineering Firms like Rizzo Engineeering and Ravi Consultants to act as their eyes & ears on the Project. The NY Canal Corp and NYPA are taking direction from a group of Engineers who have done this before.. and it shows in how smoothly the EERP Phase 2 work is progreessing on the Westside. To think the Embankment Remediation work is being done by "novices" is simply a LIE that the Stop The Clear Cut Group is trying to perpetuate.

Couple that with the fact that the NYCC, under direction of their Professional Engineering crew, hired TWO independent Construction Companies to do the actual Embankment Remediation work. They have also done this type of work before, and it shows in their "final product" that is fully documented on this ECNA website.

Take a look at the before and after of this section... looks pretty DAM professional to the ECNA and all who see it. Keep in mind the area shown is not complete, it will get another 18" of Earthen Layers and then the final approved covering.. Grass.


The Canal Corporation has, and always will have, the SAFETY of the Public at the forefront of all their operations & maintenance... period

The Stop the Clear Cut will always have their own selfish rhetoric at the forefront of their activity, choosing to look the other way on Safety

Sadly, never the two shall meet.
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Re: Three Bored Housewives?
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2018, 10:15:40 am »
Those before and after photos say it all! A very professional job!



Imagine this on the Eastern section. It's coming soon!

Folks with this work done in their back yards can sleep easy - THIS is what SAFETY is all about. Just imagine how easy it would be to spot any potential problems now.
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Re: Three Bored Housewives?
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2018, 09:02:36 am »
Just a final word on WHY all this work is being done along the Erie Canal, for those having trouble grasping the concept;

It's not a natural streambank, it's not the bank of a river, it's not even a levee or hillside slope. It is as Earthen Embankment Dam. Just ask any expert who has taken a look at this, even an expert sought out by those trying to STOP this project has agreed about that "simple" truth folks. Seems the truth still stands, even when so many chose to lie or ignore it.

https://ecna.createaforum.com/notices-from-the-canal-authority/check-the-ecna-forum-for-important-information-on-december-8-134/

Earthen Embankment Remediation Project is the BEST name that the NY Canal Corporation & NY Power Authority could have chosen for this work, EERP is exactly what is being done to SAVE the Erie Canal from it's slow, self destruction.

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She's confused and puzzled!
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2018, 02:01:22 pm »
Posted today by Ms Agte on the STCC Facebook page.

This is video of the stump digging. They don't have a spotter on the ground to look at what the hole looks like, and then it is filled with ground soil, so I'm puzzled when the voids are filled with clay. And they said we didn't need to worry about the freeze thaw cycle I read about with clay fill, because the fill is below the frost line, about five feet down. I'm confused because the tree root balls don't go down five feet.
Sorry for the production value of this film, I forgot to hire "crew" to keep the mayor from walking into my movie...do I have to pay her now as an extra?.


I guess that's the first time MS Agte has admitted she doesn't know what she's doing. What is she doing on site? It's a construction zone. Get off home and leave these experts alone to do their dangerous work.
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Re: She's confused and puzzled!
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2018, 03:36:00 pm »
I've learned something about Agte, & the core Leadership of this Stop the Canal Corp Group, who believe they are "experts" yet fail to even grasp the simplest concept at play here regarding the problem or the project...

The Stop the Clear Cut Leadership (and many of their followers) universally FAIL to even grasp how stupid they look criticizing the ACTUAL professional heavy equipment operators, employed by these two Construction companies, to make the repairs on the Embankment Dams, a task they have all performed in the past and understand exactly what they are doing and why.

No one in the STCC Leadership Team is qualified to run this equipment, yet they like to weigh in with their idea of what constitutes doing the job right or wrong.

None of the Leadership has actually admitted these Embankments are Earthen Dams, still clinging to the "levee lie" they try to con others into believing.

Few if any of the STCC group will ever spend time educating themselves on the Science behind the EERP work process, as they value their own opinions over actual facts, rules, and guideline regulations.

None of these folks have ever added ANY value to the EERP Project, or to their communities, in their blind fight against Safety.

Anyone who would join this group, support this group, or even give Ms Agte and crew the time of day is WRONG. First for thinking personal opinion matters more than public safety, and secondly, for NOT standing behind and fighting for the the TRUTH when those ignoring and twisting it are doing it so flagrantly.

Sadly those same people do not realize they are fighting to KEEP an unsafe Canal in our communities by agreeing with this Stop the Clear Cut fiasco.


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Re: She's confused and puzzled!
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2018, 09:44:04 am »
Maybe Ms Agte should understand the process BEFORE she critiques it?

Reason for the deep hole is to get to all roots 1" or less out, the term is Embankment Grubbing. It's a churn of the earth below a root ball to retrieve those 1" roots. Those roots are getting hauled away while new patch earth is hauled back by track driven haulers.

The repaired areas are all tamped to an Engineered Spec, tested with a Newton Meter, and then covered with a hay thatch blanket.

That surface most see AFTER a repair is made is actually  the MIDDLE of the repair, another 18"-24" of topsoil is going to be added to the repaired surface (as needed) to regain that 3:1 OUTBOARD slope ratio...if possible & practical based on NYCC property and adjoining private homeowners lots.

The Canal Corporation will be leaving a flat surface below the Toe of Slope to add the Evergreen Tree plantings once the grass takes hold, and after the Arborist hired by NY Power Authority talks with those homeowners who qualify for the barrier additions.

After all the work is done on a given Erie Canal Trail Section, the Construction Company is using a bulldozer to clean and flatten the ECT for walkers that can start reusing the trailway once the construction team moves on.

A very efficient, very professional and very "lean" improvement process that is restoring the Erie Canal Embankments to a safe & sustainable asset for NY State. And also something the folks in the STCC will still criticize out of plain old "ignorance"... their choice.

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Re: She's confused and puzzled!
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2018, 11:20:51 am »
I've heard on a recent Earthen Embankment Remediation Project Project Tour in Brockport, that Ms Agte seemed very focused on the actual "type" of clay being used for the patch repair of a recent stump that was removed. She asked her NY Canal Corp Tour Guides if "Kaolin Clay" being used for this repair work repeatedly, and was told by the Project Engineer's it was simply "clay".

Made me a little curious as to why anyone would ask the experts about a specific type of Clay being used, especially the Leader of a Group dedicated to stopping the Earthen Embankment Remediation Project. Either she had researched the most suitable clay type for these repairs and was looking to insure it was being used OR she was attempting to look like she knew as much or more about the project than those who were actually tasked with making the repair process happen or selecting the materials needed for the repair.

Inquiring minds want to know... so here's some truth on the Type of Clay being used for the EERP repairs when a stump is removed.

First.. the clay soil mixture is NOT the type Ms.Agte mentioned while she made her video... that is not even close. So once again another attempt by this group to look like the "experts" in front of the "actual" experts.



Now I did find four nice documents while searching for "Earthen Dam Clay" that are pretty good reads on how important the clay mixture is for this type repair. One of these documents is actually a guideline being used by the Canal Corporation and mentioned often in their public meetings. All have the word "clay" used prolifically throughout the document as these deal with Design, materials, and repair of Earthen Dams.

Go take a look, and search the word Kaolin... nada... zero returns on a keyword search

USACE Embankment Slope Stability - https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Q2x7LZX_Ep9EnlqHt8CaN52ZiZjZZyss

US Society of Dams Embankment Dam Materials - https://drive.google.com/open?id=17ua0QEyKPFqUaXs31PRJN1OpGz9zvY-F

US Dept of Interior Embankment Dam Design - https://drive.google.com/open?id=1nOIzzNOs4gHArXIvjxohAetliIWNxJ0C

Small Earthen Dam Manual (Italy) - https://drive.google.com/open?id=1HQhzm4wqsdN1A9qjxPErfFKNBML2MS5j

Now go search the word "clay" and see how science plays a role in this EERP project, right down to the materials selected for repairs.

I've been close enough to the repair process myself to see this is not your "ordinary clay" used in the backyard horseshoe pit. This is a fine mixture of different materials that flows smoothly when dumped into the repaired hole and compacts very hard when tamped as part of the repair process. It's covered with a straw-filled thatch mat and the Project Engineer indicated that many more yards of blown straw & topsoil will be added, contoured & compressed before the hydro-seeding is done and straw topcoat applied to help grass growth.

Not sure how anyone can get Health & Beauty Clay mixed up with Embankment Dam Repair Clay... that question will remain a mystery I guess.

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Re: She's confused and puzzled!
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2018, 02:30:53 pm »
Kaolin is used for mild-to-moderate diarrhea, severe diarrhea, and there is plenty of that around the STCC - verbal diarrhea!

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Well here you go folks..  the answer to the Clay Question... and the Kaolin Clay Mystery

The EERP Project Engineer for the Erie Canal said "Clay" as a generic term for any mix of soil that is a MAJORITY of clay. If anyone read the linked manuals in this thread, there was a section in the US Army Corp Manual that covered this basic Embankment Dam Material.

It seems "clay" is actually a mix of three soils, predominately clay and then sand added as well as a tiny gravel mix... These are churned to a texture that allows the "clay" to be handled in dump trucks and poured into place. So the term is clay but it's a very carefully concocted mix that is used for the specific task of Embankment Dam Remediation.

This picture shows the clay in it's delivered state to the repaired root ball hole when it is fluffy and then after it has been properly compacted to the recommended force specification for this type of repair. I pressed with my boot and could only put a slight imprint into it..very hard.



After that the patched dam section is covered with a straw thatch mat, ready for an 18" layer of topsoil and hydro-seed scheduled for March-April 2019. That topsoil is for the reshaping the the Embankments to the correct slope angles.

Then grass grows..and evergreens start to get planted along the base. It will start looking like a safe,proper Embankment Dam again.

Folks, the clay being used for the EERP repairs is definitely not Kaolin Clay that is used to make this...


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The latest 'revelations' from the STCC
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2019, 05:06:29 pm »
In a recent post on the almost defunct STCC Facebook page, it appears that Facebook is deleting numerous inactive STCC subscribers. We are well aware that people have become disillusioned with this operation, as they discover the many untruths they have spread, and see their 'expert witnesses' like Donald H Gray and Dr. Rosgen refute their original statements regarding trees on slopes. They are leaving this sinking ship in droves.

The truth is, as these experts now proclaim, (since we told them they were dealing with a dangerous embankment dam and not a levee or a wooded river slope), that trees have no place on an earthen embankment dam.

The STCC founder stated -
We are battling for trees, transparency, safety and honesty. We don't have to live in an ugly world in order to be 'safe'.
Against all the scientific evidence, they are trying to push water uphill. As for transparency, they have never once mentioned the hundreds of thousands of dollars they spent shoring up the canal embankments with steel pilings. Or that their expert witnesses have changed their opinions. As for safety, have they ever mentioned the safety of people living in a dam hazard zone like Bushnells Basin or Crystal Springs? And honesty is something seriously lacking here, as they have told blatant lies to their expert witnesses and many others. As for ugliness, I challenge any one to show me anything beautiful about the mess on the slopes at the Oxbow. Honeysuckle, messy Cottonwoods, ragweed and much more, so overgrown, no one can see a hand in front of their face.

As if the Canal Corp were interested in their skepticism of the expert arborists and landscape architects they have employed.They even decry the Canal Corp for employing experts, preferring them to deal with the problem in house

It looks like the STCC is imploding, it's becoming a secret society, almost touching on witchcraft now, as they  conjure up more and more potions to try to maintain their position. They now tell members not to post on the forum, for fear of trolls and demons. That's a good thing, fewer lies on the Web.
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Re: The latest 'revelations' from the STCC
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2019, 11:05:05 am »
I'm surprised that you did not post the entire message that was recently sent out to the STCC "warriors" from Ms. Agte, the self-pronounced leader of the STCC group who is fighting against safety initiatives in the guise of "helping Nature".

If you read the complete message, you get a sense of how biased the group really is, and also how they seem to be worried more about their own "appearance" than about the actual safety of their community and the sad state of the Erie Canal. Sadly there are MANY folks in our community who are letting this dangerous STCC group (and it's leadership) speak for them on the topic of Erie Canal safety. This is a group that has shown over and over how much they fail to grasp the simplest concepts of what is going on with this NY Canal Corporation Embankment Restoration Project.

As for my view on the STCC, I'm not sure why Ms. Agte feels her "hunches" on this Erie Canal Restoration project should matter more than the actual homeowners who are living along the unsafe embankments. Our voices are being drowned out by her dangerous rhetoric it seems.   

Let's let the PUBLIC have a look at what the STCC is saying these days, on their "private" Facebook group page these days:

Here is the STCC's recent post in it's "private" Facebook group" regarding this very "public" project. Please note the bias Ms. Agte is already showing for the Landscaping Firm already selected by the NY canal Corp  for the Phase 3 Evergreen Barrier Replanting Design. You would think she would welcome someone who will be setting the plan for future planting of trees, trees that are actually allowed on Embankment Dams. But that would mean common sense was being applied... just wishful thinking when you talk about the STCC.


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Some updates:
We urged the CC to post trail closures at our December 7th meeting, and it took several weeks. But they have not updated the closures to now include Holley. From your pictures, I would guess that canal path is not walkable...I want to give a shout out to Julie Mellen Damerell who stepped up and reported the current status of canal embankment work at the Brighton Town Board Meeting last night. Or as she referred to it.. her "dramatic reading". That totally **** me up. Thanks so much Julie. A forward thanks to Karen Anvelt who has volunteered to be present at the February Pittsford meeting. I sent a letter to the editor of the D&C, we will see if they print it.

We are still dealing with some disturbing troll activity. Every time I get a PM from one of you about it, I want you to know I drop what I am doing to try to get to the bottom of it as soon as possible. No one likes to feel like they are being stalked. I'm still doing some research so I won't go into details right now, but I want you all to bear in mind: trolls are bottom feeders. They have no original content of their own, so they have to steal in order to be relevant.

We have a group of savvy internet warriors, but I will repeat.. do not post anything on our page, even through it is "private" that is personal. No emails, phone numbers etc. Those of you who contact me, and relay private messages from trolls, just remember, anyone can PM you, but you can block them. Thank you to those of you who have sent me the PM's for documentation. I'm sorry for those of you who have had to deal with this low life. But feel free to continue to contact me. It's not how any of us want to spend our free time, but trolls have no boundaries.

Stay tuned for information about the February meeting that the CC has promised about remediation for the westside. I'm highly skeptical of the choices they will make for the arborist and landscape architect, because they have jobbed the hiring of those positions out to a consulting firm, several degrees of separation... Hopefully my intuition is wrong.

You may notice a change in our member count, Facebook is reconfiguring their group attendance numbers. It might be a Russian thing, but they are combing through groups to see who participates or not. Sometimes friends join friends in groups they have no desire to be in, sometimes it's a bot, or a Russian or a troll. (I know I am not the only one who has like a hundred guys who want to be my boyfriend on Facebook these days.)

Tonight as we walked along the canal, we stopped and waited, because eight deer were gingerly making their way over soft ice across the canal. I hooked my dog back up, because I knew if he rushed them, and they galloped, they might break the ice after a few days of warm. (I know, I know, deer don't gallop.. what do they do??) But anyway, we waited...from quite a distance.... until even the straggler caught up to the rest and leaped the stones to dry ground.

As always, thanks to all of you who stay vigilant. We are battling for trees, transparency, safety and honesty.
We don't have to live in an ugly world in order to be "safe".


Maybe this last statement is the most humorous...

As always, thanks to all of you who stay vigilant. We are battling for trees, transparency, safety and honesty. We don't have to live in an ugly world in order to be "safe".

Folks, this last statement is coming from a group who has continually ignored the damage done by the trees to the earthen dams those trees reside on, from a group who's own LACK of transparency caused them to take that group from public to private, from a group who ignores the word safety at all costs...even placing it in quotes as if it's debatable in the last sentence to their waning Facebook membership.

There are documented reports of Unsafe Erie Canal Embankments on file with the NY Dept of Environmental Conservation and a series of 40 recent embankment inspections where all but a very few sections received failing grades. Still the STCC does NOT even think safety is an issue, stating over and over their tired philosophy of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".. even with monumental evidence that says the Erie Canal Embankments ARE broken.

This group has done nothing positive to help the Erie Canal safety issue and simply calls everyone who fails to accept their "fake" truth a liar, in some way or another.

To date the STCC has not produced one shred of evidence to back their distorted view of this Erie Canal Restoration Project and their mantra that "Trees on Dams are OK". Every attempt made by this group to con hydrology experts to their side, has resulted in each of those experts recanting statements & removing their support for the STCC group. Check our ECNA Forum for more detail on STCC's "expert testimony" and how that group purposely hid the truth from their own experts. Once these experts saw pictures of the Embankments, they ALL agreed these are Earthen Dams that are being restored... and it was absolutely necessary to do that work per all known science & regulations

As for honesty; the STCC group won't even call the Erie Canal Embankments by their proper terminology as Earthen Dams. They have no idea what the word honesty means and never will. They have their own brand of truth, that is led by the whims of a group dedicated to resist change at all cost. They have freely admitted that calling the Erie Canal Slopes by their real name, Dams, would mean the embankments would need to be cleared and only have grass covering. They do understand the rules, but seem determined on not allowing the NY Canal Corporation to properly apply them to these Earthen Embankment Dams... because they believe "scenery is MORE important than safety."

Sadly the world is really made that much more ugly by this group's unwillingness to accept the truth. It's a shame that the STCC continues in it's decision to let the lies & ignorance of it's leadership cast a shadow of doubt on one of the biggest safety projects running through New York State. The Erie Canal has finally reached a point where it has become unsafe and this STCC group keeps stating it's not broken, nothing wrong, stay away.

Nothing could be further from the truth folks...

It appears Ms Agte is frustrated by the truth, and also those who are reporting it like the ECNA. Her refusal to see that same truth has now resulted in more lies to cover dwindling support on Facebook. Ms Agte has now stated that Facebook itself will be changing the Stop The Clear Cut group's member count, somehow trying to link that to Russia and current Facebook issues, which is a joke. She whines about trolls, who are actually people stating the truth. And now is making up more lies to cover-up the simple fact that the STCC is a sinking ship, as you stated.

The truth is simple, this Facebook group has little to no participation from it's membership, but they STILL see their "private" statements showing up in the public sphere, even AFTER taking their Facebook group site private to try and prevent that from happening. The only remaining choice for the STCC is to start eliminating it's own membership hoping to find the source of their Facebook group "leak". They feel they have a mole in their midst when sadly it has become apparent that the majority of folks who initially joined the Stop the Clear Cut Group have listened to BOTH sides now, and see the STCC has not been forthright or honest. And now those "STCC moles" are pointing that out to those who will listen, hoping to shed some  light on the dishonesty of the STCC Leadership.

Here's a simple fact; Claiming to have 600 supporters, the STCC Group routinely has only 1% of that number who actively post to their STCC site, and the majority of those FB posts are from a small leadership group led by Ms Agte and two "neighbors". For this trio of leaders it's never been about safety... it's always been about their self-centered, self-serving view of the Erie Canal.

None of these STCC "leaders" live along the Canal Embankments being repaired,  none are in danger of flooding from unsafe dams, and not one of them worries about the need to buy National Flood Insurance if the Embankment Dams go unrepaired. For them it's only about how their "walk" will be affected without trees along the Erie Canal Trail.

As for Ms Agte, she rarely, if ever, walks the actual Erie Canal Trail as she  lives on the opposite side of the Trail Embankment, choosing instead to walk the 2 mile Oxbow Trail located on the east side of the Oxbow Lake... part of NY Parks & Trails recently adopted & maintained by the Erie Canal Neighbor's Association.

Yes, the ECNA is working to improve the Erie Canal Trail system, not allowing it to fall into more disrepair as the STCC would promote.

And that folks is the real truth.
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Once again it's Ms. E. Agte to the "rescue", stating her case, twisting her own truth "just enough" to make it seem like it's fact. Here's the latest letter from this group to the Canal Corporation regarding their new Earthen Embankment Integrity Program, or EEIP as it's referred to.

Folks, read that program name AGAIN... Earthen Embankment Integrity Program. It's IMPORTANT later in this conversation.

Here's Ms. Agte's rant of the day about Canal Corp's plans regarding making Embankment Dams safe along the Erie Canal:







Now at the bottom of her letter is a rather remarkable twisting of the FACTS, but few will spot it. I underlined the statement in RED.

Ms. Agte INCORRECTLY states what this EEIP work being taken on by the owners of the Canal Corporation is all about. She stated this new EEIP effort is a "Tree Maintenance" program.... when in fact it is NOT.

The Earthen EMBANKMENT INTEGRITY Program is about maintenance of Erie Canal EMBANKMENT DAMS that are running though NY State.

It's about insuring those DAMS are properly cleared so much needed INSPECTIONS can take place. It's being done to insure the PUBLIC SAFETY of the majority of NY's population at risk of flooding with UNSAFE DAMS in their backyards. It's about fixing 100 year old earthen dams, not "manicuring" the trees that are causing the safety issues in the first place, suggesting that this is about "trees" shows just how far off-base this group & it's leadership has been.

If it was about "maintaining trees" the NYS Canal Corporation would have picked a Program Title that reflected that fact. Maybe something like "The Erie Canal Tree Trimming Program"

Sadly Ms. Agte once again has convinced the ECNA that she STILL doesn't really understand the problem, so why would anyone be interested in her solutions, or even her opinions? If you can answer that one, PLEASE respond with a comments and tell us why.

She truly can't see the REAL problems because of this sad truth, one that she has tried to make the forefront since Day 1. That it's really about UNSAFE DAMS that need repairs and certainly not about tree trimming...



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I guess this recent post that went out on Facebook exemplifies what's been the issue right along with this Stop the Canal Clear-Cut Clan...

The OPINIONS of their LEADERSHIP matters more than the SCIENCE & FACTS about Embankment Dam Safety, Maintenance, and Engineering.


It really doesn't matter what is said by NYPA or the NYS Canal Corporation to support the clearing of embankments of dangerous trees. Stating that those trees are inhibiting proper safety inspections, causing structural issues or creating unsafe conditions along the Trail or Waterway really doesn't matter.

A 2014 NYS Comptroller's Study showing New York's Canal System is failing, a series of Dam Inspections that revealed these UNSAFE DAMS, even a number of emergency repairs in the past few years are not warning signs of an eventual collapse of a canal dam to this group, because facts & truth aren't what drives them...


It's the opinions of Ms. Agte that are much more important than what the property owners are saying about safety, just ask her...


Here's another typical STCC post, whining about the lack of progress in the Age of Covid.






And of course "Fearless Leader" steps up and sets the record straight...with her valued opinion


The remarks at the end are MY OWN, speaking for the Co-Founders of the Erie Canal Neighbor's Association


And once again the whining goes on and somehow the STCC now wants to put the standard "political spin" on what's happening. It's all some "hidden plot".






Do these people ever think about their OWN words before those words leave their lips?
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And for those who want more proof... go read this groups postings on Facebook yourself... It's all the same.

 https://www.facebook.com/groups/374651252977621/





This comes from a group of people who DO NOT like the message, so they want to kill the Messenger and CHANGE the message.

And that message, well it's firmly grounded in "Opinion and Conjecture"

Because those are the two things that matter most to their Co-Founder & Leaders.
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