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Doug K

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Maybe the issue is their "expert" has simply already been named and debunked as having NO relevant information that adds value to this project, which at it's core is about Remediation of Unsafe Embankment Dams. We know the name of their current "expert", Dr Donald Gray.

I've done some searching into Dr. Donald Gray and his work on Levees & Dams, namely Embankment type Dams.

First, Dr Gray became involved to try and solve a particular problem in the STATE of California. The issue was DEC, USACE, and FEMA guidelines has been applied there to Levees & Dams there, like all other states, and had ALSO been tied to Federal Funding for California Farmers who use these streams and rivers for irrigation. California has a very large number of levees that did NOT meet standards set, those same standards that NY State & the Erie Canal Corp have to follow. A symposium was called, and experts from around the country tried to find a better solution for bringing these levees back into compliance.

Here's a link to that work ->

Some experts at that symposium stated that due to the nature of the water cycles in California and the fact that levees were NOT WATERED most of the time, changing the rules as a trial was a HUGE cost savings to these farmers, as well as enable them to keep receiving their Federal support money. The jury is STILL out on whether this new practice works on ALL levees as it depends on many aspects such as soil type, live vs dead trees, and other factors that were centered on Safety & Inspection of Levees, as well long term maintenance costs.

Here's some links to California Levee Facts, just so the reader can understand that due diligence HAS been done to insure the ECNA provide FACT over Fiction

In the end this may be a good balance between costly Levee Maintenance and allowing some vegetation on them. If you search Dr Gray you will ONLY find references like the one below, always about Levees, and usually centered on California

With All that said the REAL FACTS are simple:
1) Erie Canal Outboard slopes do NOT qualify as Levees, they are not bordering a natural waterway, they are Earthen Embankment Dams.
2) EC Embankments are wet REGULARLY based on a seasonal cycle, not a result of severe weather or Spring run-off, like Levees experience
3) Dr. Gray himself has already stated his views on Levees & Dams that SUPPORTS the NY Canal Corp plan to FIX the woody vegetation issue
4) This is NOT California, it is NY State, the experiment on Levees in California can't be applied without a repeat of the Symposium here.

The only thing going on here with the STCC Groups Rhetoric, mis-information & untruths are being spread almost unchecked by the NYCC, sad. The truth remains the truth, our Erie Canal has a 122 miles of Earthen Embankment Dams, sometime completely full, sometimes half empty but STILL hovering above homeowner, neighbors and our community 365 days of the year, 24 hours per day, and now have an UNSAFE rating.

Nothing in the Stop the Clear Cut Groups agenda, rhetoric or online presence even attempts to address that issue with a plan of action.
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