Author Topic: Very suspicious! (Read 93 times)

Michael Caswell · « **on:** June 20, 2023, 04:57:14 pm »

Eerie Agte is at it again!

Just look at this twaddle she's posted. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if she conjured this up herself, probably with some help from her henchwoman Ms Maier. Of course, there are so many whack jobs over at the STCC Farcebook site, it could be any one of them.

They have nothing else to do over there. I was quite surprised to see this as the page has been so quiet for so long

Doug K · « **Reply #1 on:** June 25, 2023, 03:44:45 pm »

I'm not so sure it's very suspicious at all, what's new here?

I say nothing, just more of the same, trying to be polished up to look new, but it's the same old Conspiracy Theories at work from the Stop the Canal Clear-cut Fiasco.

It's still the same Elizabeth Agte, unhappy that she's not being listened to "on her schedule", even though the NYS canal Corporation has sent her updates as they try to supply her with what she asked for. The why she asked for this information, it was supposed to be "that guardian angel" she boasted about back in February.

Somehow she must have thought that 18 to 30 year old soil reports would somehow remove the FEMA & State requirements or recommendations about "No Trees on Dams".

Just how long did she think this request would take? Look at her request... she wanted soil records or ANY OTHER document, from multiple agencies, for a timeframe in the PAST, that has NO CONSEQUENCE to repairing insufficient earthen canal embankments of TODAY.

It appears that after a couple months delay, Ms. Agte & her group were told her SOIL FOIL request is due in mid-July, but it's NOT GOOD ENOUGH for this Facebook Queen. Now she clams that it's just another conspiracy to "hold back" critical information, with her critical Facebook post..

Here's the letter that NYS Canal sent back most recently.

Once again, none of this is good enough to satisfy Ms. Agte, she says "all the agencies are hiding something" now...

With her group participation waning, few if any read or post on her Facebook page anymore, and most people in the group now realizing that the idea of "simply denying the canal has safety issues" that Ms. Agte and her group rallied around as their only defense isn't working against HARD EVIDENCE to the contrary. That evidence was reported in the SEQR Documentation that Ms. Agte fought for herself... but now that it refutes her claims she just continues her denial.

I'm surprised the group hasn't used the term "witch hunt", that's what other denialist have done lately. And note... in the replies to these absurd claims: Someone wants to rehash what the group talked about 2 years ago on some local internet radio show. Ms. Agte says "nothings different" since then.

Just another in a series of lies and denial... she knows perfectly well that the entire EEIP webpage launched that HIGHLIGHTS that State Environmental Report that shows just how WRONG she was about public safety along the Erie Canal

Go read for yourself:

https://www.nyscanalintegrity.org/

https://www.canals.ny.gov/Earthen_Embankment/FGEIS_Guidebook.html

Sorry Mr. Caswell, nothing suspicious here, it's business as usual for the STCC... more lies, and a dose of denial, with lots of whining leadership.

And I agree with you Michael, this FOIL request appears to be a little bogus, and appears to have zero bearing on the unsafe embankment issue.

First, It's very vague, and could be just someone's idea for "slowing down" the embankment work, hoping tedious tasks get in the way of moving trees. Asking for "any and documentation" that mentions soils, could be quite a few sheets of paper. Perhaps a moving truck will show up at Ms Agte's door dropping off a pallet, telling her that the "FOIL request" has arrived.

Of course it could be a "red herring", you know, a ruse to hopefully keep someone looking in the wrong place, for the wrong data, just to keep them busy, and far away from any useful information.

That "anonymous sender" could have been anyone wanting to see if the STCC and Ms Agte would go on a wild goose chase for awhile.

Who in their right mind would think that 30 year old soil reports matter on a canal system that's falling apart as it nears it's hundredth birthday.

I put my money on that sir, this is all a boondoggle, created to distract the STCC from their goals, and have their leadership running around thinking this data matters... I wonder who would have done that... wink wink?

Not sure it was a "guardian angel" sending this idea of a FOIL request on soils... it's always the "devil in the details" that's causes all the problems, or so I've heard.

Doug K · « **Reply #2 on:** June 27, 2023, 07:17:49 am »

If you noted in my last post, someone named KAREN Anvelt somehow thinks all of this "conspiracy stuff" needs to be brought to the attention of the Perinton Town Supervisor Bill Smith. She chooses to still ignore the truth about Canal Embankment Safety and she STILL chooses the truth presented on Facebook, over the facts presented by NYS agencies.

That truth comes from a social media group that embraces every wild conspiracy theory about the NYS Canal System

The public has been made aware of the demands of those like KAREN, in our society... in fact there's a new slang term used just to describe it...

And Mr Bill Smith, he's just another local politician who's been duped by a Facebook Group spouting conspiracy theories & denying public safety in and around the Canal System. Read more about Mr. SMITH'S antics in these posts:

1) Bill Smith the Hypocrite -
https://ecna.createaforum.com/perinton-canal-embankment-discussion/is-bill-smith-a-hypocrite/msg1698/#msg1698

2) Bill Smith Ignoring Safety -
https://ecna.createaforum.com/perinton-canal-embankment-discussion/should-perinton-leaders-follow-in-the-footsteps-of-towns-that-won't-learn-from-t/msg1894/#msg1894

3) Bill Smith's New Yard Sign -
https://ecna.createaforum.com/perinton-canal-embankment-discussion/bill-smith's-new-yard-sign/msg1625/#msg1625

4) Bill Smith at the STCC Protest -
https://ecna.createaforum.com/perinton-canal-embankment-discussion/planned-protest-event-is-huge-flop/msg1714/#msg1714

5) Bill Smith, is he telling the truth? -
https://ecna.createaforum.com/perinton-canal-embankment-discussion/pittsford-town-supervisor-is-a-dammed-liar!/msg1654/#msg1654

6) Bill Smith meets with STCC -
https://ecna.createaforum.com/perinton-canal-embankment-discussion/are-our-town-supervisors-breaking-the-law/msg946/#msg946

Doug K · « **Reply #3 on:** July 13, 2023, 07:58:58 pm »

July 14th... it's finally here. And most likely tomorrow will bring one of these two things:

1) Elizabeth Agte will be complaining she didn't get her soil reports from 1992-2005 from the Canal Corporation, she will claim there's a conspiracy, say that these NYS organizations are against her, and if she gets really riled up, she may go hug some trees, or storm the Fairport Lift Bridge and "occupy" it until NYPA hands over those very important papers... lol.

OR

2) Elizabeth Agte will be posting all kinds of useless information on her Facebook Group webpage. She will go on an on about how these 20 something year old SOIL reports "really matter" and that based on her knowledge (remember she's a beekeeper) those reports say trees can stay on the embankments. She will take any "facts" she presents completely out of context, and will whine about how she's been "vindicated".

Here's the letter mailed to Lizzy some time ago:

I am hoping she gets those reports, it should be rather amusing to see how she spins those meaningless papers into a solution that might stop the embankment dam clearing that will soon be taking place as part of the EEIP Program to make Erie Canal Embankments safer, less leaky, and bring them up to current standards.

Of course NYS was under no obligation to send Ms. Agte the 2018 NYS Dam Infrastructure Report, brought about by the NYS Comptroller's Office. Because that MATTERS when the earthen embankment has WATER on one side of it, then it becomes a DAM.

So we will watch as Ms. Agte makes a complete fool of herself... again.

Maybe she needs to spend some time learning about the NYS Dam Infrastructure Issues?

https://www.osc.state.ny.us/reports/dam-infrastructure-understanding-and-managing-risks-june-2018

https://www.osc.state.ny.us/files/local-government/documents/pdf/2019-01/dam-infrastucture-2018.pdf

The State of NY is under no obligation to help educate Ms. Agte or her group that what matters most is what that "soil is trying to do. Not all soil is the same, some is used to grow crops, some is used to prop up roadways and those are called embankments. And sometimes earthen embankments are made to retain water, like reservoirs for public water, or for dams that create hydro energy, or sometimes to build a canal system.

All things should be taken in context, Soil Reports and Dam Safety Reports. Not sure why 22 year old soil reports would matter when a 5 year old Dam Safety report says that these EMBANKMENTS are unsafe, according to State & Federal standards, and they have to be maintained, for sustainability of the dam, and the safety of the public.

Sadly Ms. Agte doesn't want to see the big picture here, just her narrow, slanted view of what the canal "needs", at least according to Elizabeth Agte...

https://www.osc.state.ny.us/reports/dam-infrastructure-understanding-and-managing-risks-june-2018

Neither NYPA or NYS Canals have to show Ms. Agte the map that shows her county has one of the biggest issues in all surrounding counties with unsafe dams. The map below shows where the worst issues are.

https://wwe1.osc.state.ny.us/localgov/dams/dams.cfm

Friday July 14, 2023

So now we will all have to watch while the members of Ms. Agte's Facebook group, all 10 that post, say nice things about her work and effort. There are about 10 active members of the 1000 claimed to be "in the group" that are fighting her cause to "save the shade", they will all have an opinion on the Infamous Soil FOIL.

We might even here again from Kevin Gallagher, who's been very silent lately, was he the one who "tipped" Ms. Agte about the Soil Foil Request...hmmm?

We will watch Ms. Agte try to rile up the "warriors" and tell them it's "do or die" time. If they don't save the tress, that precious "shade" will be gone. Someone, maybe Karen Anvelt or Cathy Medina, will suggest "Tree-Hugging" as a possible solution.

And again, NYS Power Authority, nor the New York Canal Corporation are under any obligation to tell Ms. Agte or her group, that "trespassing" on Canal Property is prohibited by NYS Canal Laws, and anyone on ANY property OTHER THAN THE EMPIRE TRAIL, could be subject to a $100 fine for each offense.

https://www.canals.ny.gov/about/rulesregs/canalregs.pdf

Doug K · « **Reply #4 on:** August 05, 2023, 08:18:45 am »

Well it's been about a month since Ms Agte has received her FOIL request regarding some 30 year old "soil reports". Haven't heard a peep from this Facebook group in weeks about this matter. No whining from leadership that the information requested was late, or not delivered by the July 14th date. Not one word about the report, despite complaints from Ms Agte on how slowly her request was answered

One would assume that the Soil Report FOIL was sent along to Ms Agte for review, and is now languishing somewhere in Stop the Canal Clear-cut purgatory.

No Angel, No Savior... just another Agte promise that fell dreadfully short.

Remember that this NYS Thruway Soil Report was going to be critical information, sent along by a "guardian angel", to hopefully prove Ms Agte's position that "nothing is wrong with Erie Canal Embankments". This report was touted as "critical hidden information" for months, and yet not one "fact" has been released from Ms Agte to her group.

We still haven't heard "all the dirt" about this Soil FOIL request... so what gives?

Perhaps the information in the FOIL report was too complicated for Ms Agte to decipher?

Perhaps the SOIL report contained absolutely no proof of what Ms Agte was "suggesting" it would show?

Or just maybe Ms Agte finally realized the truth... That she has ALWAYS been wrong about Erie Canal Embankment Safety and the Soil Report reinforced that simple fact

As we have already stated, perhaps this whole Soil FOIL Report idea was nothing more than a "red herring", a ruse, as now it appears to be nothing more than another STCC boondoggle, down the wrong path, for a Facebook group, that has lost its way, and now suffers from poor leadership, and biased management.

Perhaps someone in the group should have told leadership that a 30 year old report on Earthen Soil Types wasn't going to matter in light of critical Erie Canal SAFETY issues recently divulged in a 1 year old SEQR Environmental Report on Canal Embankment Integrity.

That should have been very obvious, even to this group... not everyone is as blind to public safety issues as Ms Agte & Ms Maier are.

Once again, maybe this group should start to educate itself on the finer points of Earthen Dam Safety in New York State?

Just a hunch...

https://www.osc.state.ny.us/reports/dam-infrastructure-understanding-and-managing-risks-june-2018

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