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Michael Caswell

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When will these bored housewives shut up, finally!
« on: December 01, 2020, 02:16:38 pm »
Just gleaned from the STCC web page. see below. I guess it doesn't matter how many experts tell them there is a problem, they are deaf to their advice.

Most amusing are Virginia Borden Maier's comments. "They have yet to make a strong clear case that trees were and are a true risk"

I guess these bored housewives are more qualified to comment on dam safety that all the Dam Safety Engineers who have ALL said our canal embankments are Class C High Hazard.
 
You do know you're going to have to bring along chain cutters when the project starts, they'll be chaining themselves to Cottonwoods. Hopefully, they'll all be arrested.

Unbelievable!

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Mike, I know one possible answer... it's called an Unwavering Devotion to the Wrong Message

It appears that Ms. Agte, Ms. Maier and Ms. Gouldthorpe haven't changed the message they keep telling themselves, and their followers, about Erie Canal Embankment safety. It's been the same since their inception and you can file it under classic "Denialist".

Why does this Facebook Group keep insisting nothing is wrong with the Erie Canal when the OWNERS of the property have stated otherwise?

Are these three people doing it for the same reason that other's deny the "science, truth & facts" around a given subject like public safety or dam maintenance?

Some of these types of people believe if they tell a lie long enough it will magically  become the truth somehow... we see plenty of that going on these days.

Some of these people believe their "valued opinion" should mean more than scientific fact or and all known best practices by those intimate with said topic.

And a very few people, like the Leaders of this Facebook group, actually believe both.

But sadly they also don't understand why they have to keep repeating their same tired lies and opinions that don't add any value.

They can't seem to figure out that the TRUTH will always win over the lies that people like them makeup to deny those simple truths.

They also can't seem to figure out that Science & Engineering FACTS will always win over opinions of people like them, who aren't adding value to the overall solution.

So why do they keep saying that there is NO danger to the Public having trees covering all these raised embankment dams along the canal?

Its simple... It's because these three "Facebook Group Leaders" are still trying to silence those little voices in the back of their own heads that keeps telling them they are wrong, and that trees are a danger to all dams... Its all spelled out by Science & Engineers.

And that is not an opinion...it's Fact.

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Re: When will these bored housewives shut up, finally!
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2020, 12:18:36 pm »
Of course, Ms Agte knows this too.

She says ----They were manufacturing a threat that is not there!

Just take a look at the work the NYPA did a couple of years ago, shortly after this fiasco started.

https://eriecanalfacts.wordpress.com/2018/04/14/340/



This work took over three weeks, and I hate to think of the cost.
No threat of flood eh?

RUBBISH   Ms Agte     PURE DRIVEL!

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Re: When will these bored housewives shut up, finally!
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2020, 12:23:05 pm »
Not to mention that the internet has many many examples and stories citing past Erie Canal embankment ISSUES that this group insists didn't happen.

The STCC Leadership, Ms. Agte et all, only mention one canal breach, the 1974 at Bushnell's Basin, saying it was caused by "man" and at no other time has the canal ever had embankment issues.

To that I have a one word response: Bullshit!

And here's proof that these environmental-wannabee's are nothing more than Canal Safety Denialists, who simply deny what doesn't fit




https://www.nhregister.com/news/article/Stretch-of-Erie-Canal-shut-down-after-partial-11547131.php

https://13wham.com/news/local/canal-corp-begins-emergency-repairs-in-ogden-perinton

https://orleanshub.com/tree-cutters-clear-canal-embankment-in-holley/

https://westsidenewsny.com/news/2012-08-05/canal-crews-respond-to-partial-failure-of-erie-canal-embankment/

https://www.wxxinews.org/post/emergency-work-continues-erie-canal-embankments

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2017/12/19/erie-canal-clear-cutting/963749001/

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This Stop the Canal Clear-cut Group (STCC) on Facebook is playing Russian Roulette with Canal Embankments & Public Safety, and everyone living along or near the Erie Canal is in danger of potential catastrophic flooding as a result...

And most Rochester residents don't seem to care at all.

All of this plays out while Perinton, Pittsford and Fairport Government Leaders let this small dysfunctional group dictate the course of public safety in an around our Erie Canal villages & communities. They do it by NOT speaking up to them and their dangerous rhetoric of public safety program denial.

Those community leaders should know better, those town & village residents and taxpayers deserve better representation.

So the real answer to Mike Caswell's question is simple...
 
This group will NOT go away until the PUBLIC says they have heard enough of their lies.





As long as the Stop The Canal Clear-cut group continues to follow the Denialist Playbook, and the Public lets them continue their charade, nothing will change. It appears that only canal neighbors living BELOW these unsafe dams seem interested.

It's not like there isn't a mountain of evidence against what this Facebook Group is saying... because the topic of Earthen Dam Safety is well covered on the internet.




In Fact just about EVERY STATE has a page dedicated to Embankment & Earthen Dam Safety


New York - https://www.dec.ny.gov/lands/67062.html

Nebraska - https://dnr.nebraska.gov/dam-safety/trees

Virginia - https://www.dcr.virginia.gov/dam-safety-and-floodplains/dsveget

Michigan - https://berriencounty.org/612/Dam-Safety

Wisconsin - https://dnr.wi.gov/topic/Dams/documents/FSInternalErosion.pdf




There are even manuals written on how to maintain Canals & Embankments correctly. These publications are put out by many different organizations, including Land Management for the US Dept of Interior and FEMA, who with the US army Corps of Engineers manages hundreds of water impounding structures.

These are the REAL experts on Dam Safety & Maintenance, unlike what the STCC has stated.






https://www.usbr.gov/assetmanagement/docs/Canal_Vegetation.pdf

https://www.fema.gov/media-library-data/20130726-1502-20490-1952/fema_l263.pdf

https://www.fema.gov/media-library-data/20130726-1446-20490-2338/fema-534.pdf



Sadly, none of this information matters because this Stop the Canal Clear-cut Group refuses to acknowledge that they may be wrong, and the general public doesn't care enough about their own safety to stop foolish people from toying with it.

In fact most members of the STCC seem to talk more about what they DON'T KNOW than what they do on on their Facebook site.

And all the information they need can easily be found using the websites created by the NYS Canal Corporation to explain the practice & process of keeping Earthen Embankment Dams safe & sustainable. Of course they wouldn't go look there, that's what the "enemy" is saying.. right?


http://www.canals.ny.gov/Earthen_Embankment/index.html

http://www.canals.ny.gov/vegetation/index.html








Can anyone else see who the REAL enemy of Public Safety is in the Rochester area?


It appears not... except for the ECNA, who's been steadfast in their support of Safety along the Erie Canal
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