Author Topic: Why does Elizabeth Agte think she should be allowed to tour active Embankment Worksites?  (Read 168 times)

Doug K

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Once again it seems that Ms. Agte of Facebook's Stop the Canal Clear-cut group, wants to rile up her cohorts, to tell the Canal Corporation a thing or two about how to run their Canal System.

After all, she is the utmost authority on all things Erie Canal, just ask her...




So now she's accusing Rebecca Hughes from the Canal Corporation Public Communication office of "not engaging" enough with her and her group. Of course this was AFTER Ms. Hughes took time out of her weekend to try and quell the new hysteria in this group about a Trail Closure and Embankment Repair west of Rochester.

https://ecna.createaforum.com/notices-from-the-canal-authority/nys-canals-announces-routine-inspection-of-navigation-embankments-to-begin/?message=2098

So why did I post this image? Well read the highlighted sections for that answer.

Lot's of "thoughts & opinions" but no facts or science to support her words. And now, despite the Trail Closure announcements and work being done to shore up an unstable earthen embankment, Ms. Agte is saying this is all "alleged safety issues".

As if to say "Our Group Doesn't Believe You" to a NYS agency that is bound by law to protect the public, in all ways, at all times. Not sure why they wouldn't given the fact that the Canal Corporation has had to close the trail in many sections already due to concerns for the public's safety


https://ecna.createaforum.com/notices-from-the-canal-authority/erie-canal-trail-closed-for-dangerous-tree-removal-in-pittsford-brockport/?message=2119

But what I want to emphasize in that image of her Facebook Post is yet another "fake fact" from Ms. Agte...
 
That Large Earth Moving Equipment has no place on Canal Embankments, and is "causing damage" to them, and that's why all this embankment instability is occurring.

We only need to look at pictures of when the Barge Canal was built in the early twentieth century for proof that she is way off base once again...out in the weeds they say. And what better place to see it than on the COVER of the new Canal Corporation Embankment Integrity Maintenance & Guidebook


This is a document that Ms. Agte claims to have read..




Look at the picture in the upper left on that cover page...yes it's a TRAIN on the top of the embankment, and next to it, earthmover equipment. So the ORIGINAL builders of the Barge Canal, who Ms. Agte praises all the time, didn't share her opinion of what large equipment will do to an embankment, did they?

It's just more of the same old same old from a group that continues to DENY there are any issues with a NYS Canal System that is crumbing before the public's eyes, and there is plenty of information being shared by the Owners & Caretakers of the property to prove it.

Ms. Agte has also made the FALSE CLAIM that the NYS Canal Corporation, and owners New York Power Authority "don't care" about the "economic impact" of all this work they are doing, and how they operate the waterway.

Once again, right on the NYS Canal Website... a link to a 148 page Economic Impact Report that the NYSCC has been using for 8 years now.




And in addition, NYPA, the new owners of the Canal Budget, have already conducted, or been a part of, three separate studies on the Canal System including: Understanding Empire Trail Usage, Analyzing Canal System Integrity, and also held several public input sessions to gather thoughts directly from Canal System users, part of NYPA's "Reimagine the Canals" initiatives.

And those questions that Ms. Agte and Mr. Gallagher think are "so important" about the "trees' that were cleared off the Canal Embankments, part of their Embankment Integrity Program. The answers should not be too hard to answer, for anyone with half a brain:

1) Number of Trees Removed - ALL of them is the Correct Answer, because NYS DEC says it's mandatory for Dam Safety Laws

2) Age of the Trees - All of the trees removed were less than 100 years old, the age of the embankments they grew on.

3) Size of the Trees - Trunk diameters were all GREATER than 4" and Tree Heights were GREATER than 15' on all trees removed, which are the parameters used in the Embankment Guidebook she claimed to have read in it's entirety.

4) Root Ball Removal - All root balls were removed, from trees that were cut down, if the roots themselves were larger that 1" diameter that is allowed according to NYS DEC & again, that Embankment Guidebook that has ALL of this detail inside. All roots larger than 1" were ground up as part of the "slope grubbing process"


https://www.canals.ny.gov/Earthen_Embankment/DGEIS/2021-03-09_DRAFT_FINAL_Embankment_Maintenance_Guidebook.pdf

https://www.canals.ny.gov/Earthen_Embankment/DGEIS/Attach1_Final_Draft_Embankment_Maintenance_Best_Practices_2021.03.10.pdf

But what I LOVE BEST about this new Post by Ms. Agte, it's the RESPONSE by a member named Laurie Williamson, shown below. This is from someone who apparently went to college as well, maybe majored in Gormless Studies.




Now, the ECNA has been saying that EXACT same thing about this Facebook Group as we have tried to present the facts about Canal Safety here.

And we are also fairly sure that the NYS Canal Corporation, the New York Power Authority, and the folks at the Erie Canal National Heritage Foundation all feel about the same, having to deal with this Facebook groups antics & denials over the past 5 years as well.

But like that old saying goes, "some people don't know, what they don't know."


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